Hello Brian Rogers!

** On Sunday 08.08.21 - 09:12, Brian Rogers wrote to Zombie Mambo:

At least I can enjoy the eye candy of the babe in Fantasy
Island lol

I get regular OTA tv here, and that show is on the main (the
one with the best reception) channel once a week. After having
seen about 3 of the shows now, I'm tuning out. First of all,
Ms Roarke's articulation of the english language is sloppy.
Granted, I can find a foreign accent on a beautiful woman to be
sexy and appealing. But it's not working in the format of that
show. Second, the show is turning into more of a preachy thing
about human behaviour.


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Hey Ogg;

Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

I get regular OTA tv here, and that show is on the main (the
one with the best reception) channel once a week. After having
seen about 3 of the shows now, I'm tuning out. First of all,
Ms Roarke's articulation of the english language is sloppy.
Granted, I can find a foreign accent on a beautiful woman to be
sexy and appealing. But it's not working in the format of that
show. Second, the show is turning into more of a preachy thing
about human behaviour.

I've yet to even sample the show... but in total honesty I don't have any interest just as I don't have any interest to watch a black kevin arnold in
the reboot of the wonder years. Had that been what the original character was that'd be one thing but characters don't change races for a reboot... sorry.

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Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

sexy and appealing. But it's not working in the format of that
show. Second, the show is turning into more of a preachy thing
about human behaviour.

I want to go onto the retro TV channels on Roku and see if I can see the original pilot with Ricardo Montalban. If memory serves, he was a little
crazy and gave people the fantasies they needed, not the ones they wanted.



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Hello poindexter FORTRAN!

** On Wednesday 15.09.21 - 08:06, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Ogg:

[...] Second, the show is turning into more of a preachy
thing about human behaviour.

I want to go onto the retro TV channels on Roku and see if
I can see the original pilot with Ricardo Montalban. If
memory serves, he was a little crazy and gave people the
fantasies they needed, not the ones they wanted.

In that sense, the reboot is not much different. Mr Roarke's
neice is the new host of the island. She pretty much does the
same thing; hypnotises the guests into believing what they
want. The idea of what the guest's want vs what they need is
maintained.

The original was.. well.. original. "The plane! The Plane!"
started to drive me crazy.


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Hello Brian Rogers!

** On Wednesday 15.09.21 - 11:12, Brian Rogers wrote to Ogg:

[...] I don't have any interest to watch a black kevin
arnold inthe reboot of the wonder years. Had that been
what the original character was that'd be one thing but
characters don't change races for a reboot... sorry.

I hear ya with the woke or culturally inclusive approach to
reboots. Why isn't it equally fair to have a white person play
the part of an original indigenous character in an indigenous
story, as it is when they are placing black characters in the
roles of orignal stories that were clearly written and invented
with white people in mind?

The new Fantasy Island has the niece of the original Roarke. He
was Mexican. The new Roarke is an actress with a Puerto Rican
background - close enough! LOL



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Re: state of movies
By: Ogg to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Sep 15 2021 11:36 pm

The original was.. well.. original. "The plane! The Plane!"
started to drive me crazy.

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Hello Ogg;

Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

I hear ya with the woke or culturally inclusive approach to
reboots. Why isn't it equally fair to have a white person play
the part of an original indigenous character in an indigenous
story, as it is when they are placing black characters in the
roles of orignal stories that were clearly written and invented
with white people in mind?

It makes you wonder how Steve Martin's "The Jerk" would be received if it
was a new movie out in the theaters today...

The new Fantasy Island has the niece of the original Roarke. He
was Mexican. The new Roarke is an actress with a Puerto Rican
background - close enough! LOL

Now that somewhat makes some sense. Unlike some of the other reboots.

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Hello poindexter;

poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Ogg <=-

I want to go onto the retro TV channels on Roku and see if I can see
the original pilot with Ricardo Montalban. If memory serves, he was a little crazy and gave people the fantasies they needed, not the ones
they wanted.

Try IMDBtv or some of those. You'll probably be able to find the pilot
quite easily.

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Brian Rogers to Ogg on Thu Sep 16 2021 06:00 pm

I hear ya with the woke or culturally inclusive approach to
reboots. Why isn't it equally fair to have a white person play
the part of an original indigenous character in an indigenous
story, as it is when they are placing black characters in the
roles of orignal stories that were clearly written and invented
with white people in mind?

It makes you wonder how Steve Martin's "The Jerk" would be received if it was a new movie out in the theaters today...

And also Airplane!, or Blazing Saddles..

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Nightfox to Brian Rogers on Thu Sep 16 2021 05:26 pm

I hear ya with the woke or culturally inclusive approach to
reboots. Why isn't it equally fair to have a white person play
the part of an original indigenous character in an indigenous
story, as it is when they are placing black characters in the
roles of orignal stories that were clearly written and invented
with white people in mind?

It makes you wonder how Steve Martin's "The Jerk" would be received if it was a new movie out in the theaters today...

And also Airplane!, or Blazing Saddles..

That is a different point though, the original point dealing with the Wonder Years I strongly disagree with. Redoing the wonder years in the same year with a white cast would have been uninteresting. Move the year to the 90's or using a black cast shows a whole new perspective. I saw the actor that plays the new "Kevin Arnold" and he was in tears talking about how excited he was to play a positive black role and that experience. Makes a lot of sense to me and way more interesting.

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ogg on Wed Sep 15 2021 08:06 am

Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

sexy and appealing. But it's not working in the format of that
show. Second, the show is turning into more of a preachy thing
about human behaviour.

I want to go onto the retro TV channels on Roku and see if I can see the original pilot with Ricardo Montalban. If memory serves, he was a little crazy and gave people the fantasies they needed, not the ones they wanted.

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Brian Rogers wrote to Ogg <=-

It makes you wonder how Steve Martin's "The Jerk" would be received if
it was a new movie out in the theaters today...

How about "Blazing Saddles" today.


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Hey Nightfox;

Nightfox wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

And also Airplane!, or Blazing Saddles..

Blazing Saddles... funny af! They already clipped out the scenes in Airplane! and the sequal where Barbara Billingsly was talking jive to the two gentlemen and translating to the airline staff. That too was funny af but people take it so far out of context which is quite sad.

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Brian Rogers to Nightfox on Fri Sep 17 2021 10:39 am

Blazing Saddles... funny af! They already clipped out the scenes in Airplane! and the sequal where Barbara Billingsly was talking jive to the two gentlemen and translating to the airline staff. That too was funny af but people take it so far out of context which is quite sad.

There's also the scene where the 2 kids are talking and the girl says how she likes her coffee.. And the scene where the airplane pilot is asking the boy suggestive questions..

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: The Lizard Master to Nightfox on Fri Sep 17 2021 07:56 am

That is a different point though, the original point dealing with the Wonder Years I strongly disagree with. Redoing the wonder years in the same year w a white cast would have been uninteresting. Move the year to the 90's or us a black cast shows a whole new perspective. I saw the actor that plays the "Kevin Arnold" and he was in tears talking about how excited he was to play positive black role and that experience. Makes a lot of sense to me and way more interesting.

Recasting is about making a political statement, not about making art.

My stance about remakes is well known anyway. Most of the time they take a movie that was good and remake it because they think they can improve it. They fail more often than not.

If you take a masterpiece (say, the original Robocop) and try to make a new version, it is very hard for you to make one that is _better_.

And you can cast a black Robocop for the remake, but it does not change the fact that you are competing against a masterpiece and chances are you will fall short. Specially if you are bent on making politics instead of art.


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Hey Dr. What;

Dr. What wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

How about "Blazing Saddles" today.

I'd hate to think about it. Cleavon Little was excellent in that movie too.
Of course the zombies (I don't call them woke by any means!) wouldn't see it
as such, they'd see it as white supremecy, racism, bla bla bla. Humor and
true hatred are two totally different things... yet today they've merged them into one.

I suppose if we legalized more recreational drugs to further eat away at our craniums we'd eventually hit a point where no one would be able to speak out against things *sigh*

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Hey Nightfox;

Nightfox wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

There's also the scene where the 2 kids are talking and the girl says
how she likes her coffee..

LOL yea.. but she's talking to a white boy basically trying to shame him for being white - so that's OK.

And the scene where the airplane pilot is
asking the boy suggestive questions..

A few of those questions I disagreed with and didn't find that funny anyway, and I'm sure there's others who agree. They didn't really fit into the plot and could be removed without affecting the movie's flow.

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Hello Lizard Master;

The Lizard Master wrote to Nightfox <=-

That is a different point though, the original point dealing with the Wonder Years I strongly disagree with. Redoing the wonder years in the same year with a white cast would have been uninteresting.

When you mention the name "Kevin Arnold" I think of Fred Savage. He just happens to be one particular race. Had another actor of another race played
the original Kevin Arnold it'd be a different story... at least for me. I'm probably the least racist person you'd ever meet.

Move the
year to the 90's or using a black cast shows a whole new perspective.
I saw the actor that plays the new "Kevin Arnold" and he was in tears talking about how excited he was to play a positive black role and that experience. Makes a lot of sense to me and way more interesting.

As a totally new show, new character names, etc that'd be fine. To try and
live off of an existing name that was successful I find to be a bit
cowardess. That'd be like stealing source code from a successful program
and making the screens dark and calling it the same name but claiming YOU
wrote it.

I'm not against the theme or topic of the show, I'm against them riding on
the coattails of what was once a successful show and trying to turn it into something it's not. The show should have it's own name along with the characters and not consider it a reboot. An example of a good reboot is
the Connors... and even that show changed it's name due to Roseanne wigging
out with the mouth pollution.

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Hello Arelor;

Arelor wrote to The Lizard Master <=-

Recasting is about making a political statement, not about making art.

My point exactly.

My stance about remakes is well known anyway. Most of the time they
take a movie that was good and remake it because they think they can improve it. They fail more often than not.

Not just reboots but even sequals. One thing they teach you when doing
comedy on the radio is: never ever try to out-do your original punch line because you'll make both that and your new one fail. Wait for the next talk
up and then do a new joke.

If you take a masterpiece (say, the original Robocop) and try to make a new version, it is very hard for you to make one that is _better_.

And you can cast a black Robocop for the remake, but it does not change the fact that you are competing against a masterpiece and chances are
you will fall short. Specially if you are bent on making politics
instead of art.

I prefer Battlebots to Robocop <G>

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Brian Rogers to Arelor on Sat Sep 18 2021 08:07 am

Not just reboots but even sequals. One thing they teach you when doing comedy on the radio is: never ever try to out-do your original punch line because you'll make bo
that and your new one fail. Wait for the next talk
up and then do a new joke.

I think sequels are problematic for other reasons.

The main problem with sequels is that, usually, the original was successful because it was built on
some original concept. That concept was what made the film good, however, by the end of the film
the concept is spent.

If you want to make a sequel, you cannot recycle the concept and expect it to carry the whole movie
forward, because the concept has been already spent. You need the sequel to bring something new
forth, to sustain itself on a different idea. And usually, they fail to make the new idea as
compelling as the original idea was.


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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Brian Rogers to Arelor on Sat Sep 18 2021 08:07 am

That said, I don't have much trouble qith sequels because they are usually more successful than
remakes, because they are easier to get right.

I think El Libro Negro, the sequel to my first book, is superior to the original, for example.
Mostly because it didn't try to be a copy of the original, but its own thing.


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Hello Brian!

** On Saturday 18.09.21 - 08:04, you wrote to The Lizard Master:

[...] An example of a good reboot is the Connors... and
even that show changed it's name due to Roseanne wigging
out with the mouth pollution.

I thought it was a harsh termination based on silly one-time
remark "she looks like a monkey" towards some political
character, or something like that.

There are millions of people, including late night talk-show
hosts and commedians spewing much more vile, vitriol, animal
comparisons, every day towards politicians and nothing happens
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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Brian Rogers to The Lizard Master on Sat Sep 18 2021 08:04 am

When you mention the name "Kevin Arnold" I think of Fred Savage. He just happens to be one particular race. Had another actor of another race played the original Kevin Arnold it'd be a different story... at least for me. I'm probably the least racist person you'd ever meet.

Fred Savage is directing it. It's an interesting take.

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Hello Arelor;

Arelor wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

I think sequels are problematic for other reasons.

The main problem with sequels is that, usually, the original was successful because it was built on some original concept. That concept
was what made the film good, however, by the end of the film the
concept is spent.

Most sequals this is quite true, however there are a few that I would
consider successful. Those would include: Naked Gun 2/12, Airplane II,
and on another theme Poltergeist II. Poltergeist 3 was a horrible film.
By the time 3 was made, the horse was glue so to speak <G>

If you want to make a sequel, you cannot recycle the concept and expect
it to carry the whole movie forward, because the concept has been
already spent. You need the sequel to bring something new forth, to sustain itself on a different idea. And usually, they fail to make the
new idea as compelling as the original idea was.

With a comedy it's a bit easier. Another series would be Star Wars, Star Trek Police Acadamy (to a point) where there's sequals... but again that's the
deep exception not at all the rule.

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Hey Ogg;

Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

I thought it was a harsh termination based on silly one-time
remark "she looks like a monkey" towards some political
character, or something like that.

It was because her comment was directed towards a politician on the left.
Had it been someone on the right nothing would have happened.

There are millions of people, including late night talk-show
hosts and commedians spewing much more vile, vitriol, animal
comparisons, every day towards politicians and nothing happens
to them.

The stuff that's been said about Trump in his years in office, and even continuing is horrid but you're correct, nothing happens to them.

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Hey TLM;

The Lizard Master wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

Fred Savage is directing it. It's an interesting take.

Yes it is an interesting take on it. Considering how long that show was originally on I'd safely guess they've burned things up already. I'm not wishing it failure, but I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't make it
beyond 3 seasons tops.

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Move the
year to the 90's or using a black cast shows a whole new perspective.
I saw the actor that plays the new "Kevin Arnold" and he was in tears talking about how excited he was to play a positive black role and that experience. Makes a lot of sense to me and way more interesting.

I have seen previews of the show. Did they also shift the time line?
IMHO, the original show is roughly 30 years old... shifting the time line
to more recent might make it more relevant to today's audience.

I thought it looks promising. If it is similar to, but not an exact copy
of, the original, I could get into it.


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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Brian Rogers to Arelor on Sun Sep 19 2021 08:13 am

With a comedy it's a bit easier. Another series would be Star Wars, Star Trek Police Acadamy (to
point) where there's sequals... but again that's the
deep exception not at all the rule.

Star Wars is a different story.

First of all, I would not consider the movies in each trilogy a sequel to its predecessor. The Star
Wars movies were conceived as a series. Series work as a unit that tell a cohesive story. I think
of the trologies as megafilms composed of three films each (the same way I consider the Baahubali
series I reviewed earlier a single megamovie).

Now, if you are comparing the original trilogy against the first prequel trilogy they made, things
change a bit.

They sort of pulled it off because the original trilogy tells the story of the fall of Darth Vader,
and the prequel tells the story of the ascension of Darth Vader. They are different yet similar
things that work together. Sort off. Still I am not very fond of the prequel because it feels a bit
dumber in general.

I know nothing of the others because I jumped ship rather than face the impending decline of the
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Re: The Wonder Years
By: Dumas Walker to THE LIZARD MASTER on Sun Sep 19 2021 11:09 am

Move the
year to the 90's or using a black cast shows a whole new perspective.
I saw the actor that plays the new "Kevin Arnold" and he was in tears talking about how excited he was to play a positive black role and that experience. Makes a lot of sense to me and way more interesting.

I have seen previews of the show. Did they also shift the time line?
IMHO, the original show is roughly 30 years old... shifting the time line
to more recent might make it more relevant to today's audience.

I thought it looks promising. If it is similar to, but not an exact copy of, the original, I could get into it.

did you ever see the wonder years? the timeline was in the past.
what would you call it if it was more recent? today's shitty years?


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Re: The Wonder Years
By: Dumas Walker to THE LIZARD MASTER on Sun Sep 19 2021 11:09 am

I have seen previews of the show. Did they also shift the time line?
IMHO, the original show is roughly 30 years old... shifting the time line
to more recent might make it more relevant to today's audience.

I thought it looks promising. If it is similar to, but not an exact copy of, the original, I could get into it.

They did not shift the time line, I was just throwing that out as an example of something they might have considered.

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Hello Arelor;

Arelor wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

Star Wars is a different story.

To a point yes.

First of all, I would not consider the movies in each trilogy a sequel
to its predecessor. The Star Wars movies were conceived as a series. Series work as a unit that tell a cohesive story. I think of the
trologies as megafilms composed of three films each (the same way I consider the Baahubali series I reviewed earlier a single megamovie).

This I agree with you on. One movie started the 3, and they fell in sequence not as sequals.

Now, if you are comparing the original trilogy against the first
prequel trilogy they made, things change a bit.

A bit for the worse IMHO... but I know others who love them. That's what makes us all individuals.

They sort of pulled it off because the original trilogy tells the story
of the fall of Darth Vader, and the prequel tells the story of the ascension of Darth Vader. They are different yet similar things that
work together. Sort off. Still I am not very fond of the prequel
because it feels a bit dumber in general.

However if you look at the trilogy as 1 movie and the prequels as a sequal
to the original, then the sequal failed.

I know nothing of the others because I jumped ship rather than face the impending decline of the franchise.

I have all 6. While the prequals were "ok" they by all means didn't do
the trilogy justice - but that's my worthless opinion. <G>

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I have seen previews of the show. Did they also shift the time line? IMHO, the original show is roughly 30 years old... shifting the time line to more recent might make it more relevant to today's audience.

I thought it looks promising. If it is similar to, but not an exact copy of, the original, I could get into it.

did you ever see the wonder years? the timeline was in the past.
what would you call it if it was more recent? today's shitty years?

Yes, every episode at least once. It was set about 15 or so years in the past when it aired. What I meant was to shift it to more recent than c1970, like
15 or so years from now, maybe c1990-95. If it is set around 1970, I am not sure it will find as big an audience with anyone much younger than me
(early 50's).


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I have seen previews of the show. Did they also shift the time line? IMHO, the original show is roughly 30 years old... shifting the time line to more recent might make it more relevant to today's audience.

I thought it looks promising. If it is similar to, but not an exact copy of, the original, I could get into it.

They did not shift the time line, I was just throwing that out as an example o
something they might have considered.

So it is also set in the late 1960's - early 1970's? Good luck getting
younger folks to watch.


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BRIAN ROGERS wrote to OGG <=-

It makes you wonder how Steve Martin's "The Jerk" would be received if
it was a new movie out in the theaters today...

I think it and Blazing Saddles just simply wouldn't be made
today. And I think they are both hilarious!





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It makes you wonder how Steve Martin's "The Jerk" would be received if it was a new movie out in the theaters today...

And also Airplane!, or Blazing Saddles..

Did you ever watch Police Squad! In Color!




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NIGHTFOX wrote to BRIAN ROGERS <=-

There's also the scene where the 2 kids are talking and the girl says
how she likes her coffee.. And the scene where the airplane pilot is asking the boy suggestive questions..

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BRIAN ROGERS wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-

And the scene where the airplane pilot is
asking the boy suggestive questions..

A few of those questions I disagreed with and didn't find that funny anyway, and I'm sure there's others who agree. They didn't really fit into the plot and could be removed without affecting the movie's flow.

But that's the whole point - they were so non sequitor. :-) And Joey
didn't even pay attention, so you could say it's a statement on how
kids don't actually pick up on 'adult conversation.' :-)




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Move the
year to the 90's or using a black cast shows a whole new perspective.
I saw the actor that plays the new "Kevin Arnold" and he was in tears talking about how excited he was to play a positive black role and that experience. Makes a lot of sense to me and way more interesting.

I have seen previews of the show. Did they also shift the time line? IMHO, the original show is roughly 30 years old... shifting the time
line to more recent might make it more relevant to today's audience.

I thought it looks promising. If it is similar to, but not an exact
copy of, the original, I could get into it.

I'd like to see a "Wonder Years" made about the 90s, though in reality they'll stuff it up and make it 'woke'.

I'm not sure the changes from the 90s to the 20s are as significant as the changes from the 60s to the 90s.

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Re: The Wonder Years
By: Dumas Walker to THE LIZARD MASTER on Mon Sep 20 2021 04:01 pm

So it is also set in the late 1960's - early 1970's? Good luck getting younger folks to watch.

Yeah, I think a timeline shift was needed. We will see though.

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Re: Re: The Wonder Years
By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker on Tue Sep 21 2021 05:08 pm

I'd like to see a "Wonder Years" made about the 90s, though in reality they'll stuff it up and make it 'woke'.

I'm not sure the changes from the 90s to the 20s are as significant as the changes from the 60s to the 90s.

that sounds like fun. but didnt they do that with the rosanne show sans rosanne.


maybe they can have a family and the boy wants to be a girl and dresses like one. maybe all of the kids can be like that and have hormone injections.

and they can talk about trump all the time.

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Re: The Wonder Years
By: The Lizard Master to Dumas Walker on Tue Sep 21 2021 09:18 am

Re: The Wonder Years
By: Dumas Walker to THE LIZARD MASTER on Mon Sep 20 2021 04:01 pm

So it is also set in the late 1960's - early 1970's? Good luck getting younger folks to watch.

Yeah, I think a timeline shift was needed. We will see though.

i dont think people want to see a black family on tv unless they are stereotypical "niggas". the cosby show was probably the only good substantial wholesome black show in existance. they showed black people in a good light and also focused on their issues.

too bad the cos was drugging women and swinging his dick in their mouths.

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to NIGHTFOX on Mon Sep 20 2021 10:08 pm

Did you ever watch Police Squad! In Color!

I've hard of it, but I haven't seen it.

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I think it and Blazing Saddles just simply wouldn't be made
today. And I think they are both hilarious!

People today have forgotten how to laugh at themselves which is an important thing to survive in today's world. After all if you can't laugh at yourself
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But that's the whole point - they were so non sequitor. :-) And Joey didn't even pay attention, so you could say it's a statement on how
kids don't actually pick up on 'adult conversation.' :-)

Back then perhaps but in today's school "literature", they teach young teens and tweens about things such as homosexuality and anal sex. I always thought those were things that would land you in prison - not today... but you can't use that sort of humor in movies.

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Re: The Wonder Years
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Mon Sep 20 2021 04:04 pm

I have seen previews of the show. Did they also shift the time line? IMHO, the original show is roughly 30 years old... shifting the time li to more recent might make it more relevant to today's audience.

I thought it looks promising. If it is similar to, but not an exact co of, the original, I could get into it.

did you ever see the wonder years? the timeline was in the past.
what would you call it if it was more recent? today's shitty years?

Yes, every episode at least once. It was set about 15 or so years in the pas when it aired. What I meant was to shift it to more recent than c1970, like 15 or so years from now, maybe c1990-95. If it is set around 1970, I am not sure it will find as big an audience with anyone much younger than me
(early 50's).

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The ABC series of Wonder Years originated in 1988, but thestory takes plac
ein 1968. The story arc is from 1968 to 1973. A few years back a similar
show came out where the stories were based on stuff he recorded as a kid on
his parent's camcorder. The show was about the late 80's/early 90's however
it didn't have that same magic as Wonder Years did.

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Re: The Wonder Years
By: MRO to The Lizard Master on Tue Sep 21 2021 09:13 am

Re: The Wonder Years
By: The Lizard Master to Dumas Walker on Tue Sep 21 2021 09:18 am

Re: The Wonder Years
By: Dumas Walker to THE LIZARD MASTER on Mon Sep 20 2021 04:01 pm

So it is also set in the late 1960's - early 1970's? Good luck gettin younger folks to watch.

Yeah, I think a timeline shift was needed. We will see though.

i dont think people want to see a black family on tv unless they are stereot es.

too bad the cos was drugging women and swinging his dick in their mouths.

You must not have seen the series "Black-ish." It ran for seven years, and dealt with an upper class black family who didn't fit the stereotype.

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Nightfox to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tue Sep 21 2021 08:41 am

Re: Re: state of movies
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to NIGHTFOX on Mon Sep 20 2021 10:08 pm

Did you ever watch Police Squad! In Color!

I've hard of it, but I haven't seen it.

Nightfox

The Naked Gun movies were based off it. Same gag humor as Airplane films

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I'd like to see a "Wonder Years" made about the 90s, though in reality they'll
stuff it up and make it 'woke'.

I'm not sure the changes from the 90s to the 20s are as significant as the changes from the 60s to the 90s.

That is sort of where I was going. If they are targeting people who can remember the late 1960's, their audience is going to be much smaller than
those who can remember the 1990's.

I half expect they will stuff it up, even being set in the late '60's, and
make it "woke." I hope not but we will see.


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Re: The Wonder Years
By: Moondog to Dumas Walker on Tue Sep 21 2021 07:51 pm

show came out where the stories were based on stuff he recorded as a kid on his parent's camcorder. The show was about the late 80's/early 90's however it didn't have that same magic as Wonder Years did.

what show was this?

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Re: The Wonder Years
By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Sep 21 2021 07:56 pm

You must not have seen the series "Black-ish." It ran for seven years, and dealt with an upper class black family who didn't fit the stereotype.

nope never heard of it. and it looks like it had several actors i liked.
it got canceled because of bad ratings.

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Tue Sep 21 2021 07:57 pm

Re: Re: state of movies
By: Nightfox to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tue Sep 21 2021 08:41 am

Re: Re: state of movies
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to NIGHTFOX on Mon Sep 20 2021 10:08 pm

Did you ever watch Police Squad! In Color!

I've hard of it, but I haven't seen it.

Nightfox

The Naked Gun movies were based off it. Same gag humor as Airplane films

i dont think nightfox would get that type of comedy. he takes everything literal.

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Re: Re: The Wonder Years
By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker on
Tue Sep 21 2021 05:08 pm

I'd like to see a "Wonder Years" made about the 90s, though in reality they'll stuff it up and make it 'woke'.

I'm not sure the changes from the 90s to the 20s are as significant as the changes from the 60s to the 90s.

that sounds like fun. but didnt they do that with the rosanne show
sans rosanne.

maybe they can have a family and the boy wants to be a girl and dresses like one. maybe all of the kids can be like that and have hormone injections.

And a blonde wife with a black husband, because that is so edgy and would trigger the conservatives you know.


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I'd like to see a "Wonder Years" made about the 90s, though in reality

they'll

stuff it up and make it 'woke'.

I'm not sure the changes from the 90s to the 20s are as significant as the changes from the 60s to the 90s.

That is sort of where I was going. If they are targeting people who
can remember the late 1960's, their audience is going to be much
smaller than those who can remember the 1990's.

I half expect they will stuff it up, even being set in the late '60's,
and make it "woke." I hope not but we will see.

The best depiction of the 90's, at least the first part as I experienced it captured in a movie was an Australian movie called "The Castle". That was set not far from where I live, and captured what it was like back then quite accurately.

I've seen depictions of the 80s today and it is different to how it actually was. Synthwave is a good example. OBviously 80's inspired, but actually very little like anything from the 80s.

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Nightfox to JIMMY ANDERSON
on Tue Sep 21 2021 08:41 am

Re: Re: state of movies
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to NIGHTFOX on Mon Sep 20 2021 10:08 pm

Did you ever watch Police Squad! In Color!

I've hard of it, but I haven't seen it.

Nightfox

The Naked Gun movies were based off it. Same gag humor as Airplane
films

Ahh, the Zucker, Abrahams and Zucker movies. My favourite comedies. Never have seen Police Squad!, but I'd really like to.

Airplane in my opinion is the best comedy movie I've ever seen.


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Re: Re: The Wonder Years
By: Boraxman to MRO on Wed Sep 22 2021 04:52 pm

maybe they can have a family and the boy wants to be a girl and dresses like one. maybe all of the kids can be like that and have hormone injections.

And a blonde wife with a black husband, because that is so edgy and would trigger the conservatives you know.

yeah he can talk about how big his dick is and his wife would work 2 jobs when she wasnt pregnant. then he'd play with guns when sitting on the couch smoking weed.

i think i'm onto something here. maybe i should pitch this idea.

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Tue Sep 21 2021 07:57 pm

Did you ever watch Police Squad! In Color!

I've hard of it, but I haven't seen it.

The Naked Gun movies were based off it. Same gag humor as Airplane films

That's what I've heard.

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: MRO to Moondog on Tue Sep 21 2021 09:33 pm

The Naked Gun movies were based off it. Same gag humor as Airplane
films

i dont think nightfox would get that type of comedy. he takes everything literal.

That's actually some of my favorite type of comedy. Airplane and Naked Gun are some of my favorite movies.

The producers of Airplane also made Top Secret and Hot Shots, which are a couple other of my favorite comedy movies.

I miss movies like that.. Seems like they don't make movies with that kind of humor anymore.

If you think I don't get that humor, I don't think you know me very well.

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Boraxman to Moondog on Wed Sep 22 2021 04:57 pm

Ahh, the Zucker, Abrahams and Zucker movies. My favourite comedies. Never have seen Police Squad!, but I'd really like to.

Airplane in my opinion is the best comedy movie I've ever seen.

I agree. Their movies are some of my favorite comedies. It seems like they don't make movies like that anymore.

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Ahh, the Zucker, Abrahams and Zucker movies. My favourite comedies.
Never have seen Police Squad!, but I'd really like to.

Police Squad! In Color! wasn't a movie series, it was a 30 minute TV series
to which it only lasted 6 episodes. Worth watching though!



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So it is also set in the late 1960's - early 1970's? Good luck
getting younger folks to watch.

Not all entertainment needs to be geared toward the "younger folks" We
old folks like to be entertained too. :-)



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Re: The Wonder Years
By: MRO to Moondog on Tue Sep 21 2021 09:33 pm

Re: The Wonder Years
By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Sep 21 2021 07:56 pm

You must not have seen the series "Black-ish." It ran for seven years, a dealt with an upper class black family who didn't fit the stereotype.

nope never heard of it. and it looks like it had several actors i liked.
it got canceled because of bad ratings.

i'll download and episode and see what it's like.

Seven seasons is still a good run. Some shows never make it past the 15 episode test run.

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Re: The Wonder Years
By: Moondog to MRO on Wed Sep 22 2021 08:04 pm

i'll download and episode and see what it's like.

Seven seasons is still a good run. Some shows never make it past the 15 episode test run.

usually it's about the advertisers. there's been some great shows that were canned because they couldnt make that money.


there's a lot of bad shows that went on too long.
dexter, king of queens, bones, full house, true blood, 7th heaven, family guy, the simpsons, smallville.

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Ahh, the Zucker, Abrahams and Zucker movies. My favourite comedies.
Never have seen Police Squad!, but I'd really like to.

Police Squad! In Color! wasn't a movie series, it was a 30 minute TV series to which it only lasted 6 episodes. Worth watching though!

I'll have to try and find it then! I knew it was a series, but I'm a little surprised it was only 6 episodes. That might explain how it was that I missed it then. You often can find episodes of shows on YouTube, otherwise I'm happy to buy a boxed DVD set. You can't go wrong with ZAZ comedies from that era.


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Re: Re: state of movies
By: MRO to Moondog on Tue
Sep 21 2021 09:33 pm

The Naked Gun movies were based off it. Same gag humor as Airplane
films

i dont think nightfox would get that type of comedy. he takes everything literal.

That's actually some of my favorite type of comedy. Airplane and Naked Gun are some of my favorite movies.

The producers of Airplane also made Top Secret and Hot Shots, which are
a couple other of my favorite comedy movies.

I miss movies like that.. Seems like they don't make movies with that kind of humor anymore.

If you think I don't get that humor, I don't think you know me very
well.

I think what I liked about them, and what you don't find much, is they didn't take themselves seriously. They were wacky, but very much so. For example, in Airplane they say "light the runway" or something like that, and you see someone dump lamps on to it. They would do anything for a visual gag, it didn't have to concord with reality or have any continuity. The gags were thrown in just for laughs.

Comedies now are more, well, conservative. Some are 'screwball', but they kind of still take themselves too seriously. Modern Family I think is a good example. It tries to be quirky, but it just ends up being characters with particular mannerisms and affectations. There are some modern shows which I think still have this element, Family Guy is one, where something completely wacky will happen for a gag, though that show tends to overplay it a little. Malcom in the Middle, maybe, but I can't think of many or any movies like that. It seems there is too much concern about things making sense, about conforming with reality.

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Boraxman to Nightfox on Thu Sep 23 2021 05:45 pm

The Naked Gun movies were based off it. Same gag humor as Airplane
films

I think what I liked about them, and what you don't find much, is they didn't take themselves seriously. They were wacky, but very much so. For example, in Airplane they say "light the runway" or something like that, and you see someone dump lamps on to it. They would do anything for a visual gag, it didn't have to concord with reality or have any continuity. The gags were thrown in just for laughs.

Yes, I think that's what made those movies great. Also in Airplane, when they're taking off: "You have clearance, Clarence." "Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor?" It's full of gags.

There's little things here and there in those movies too. In Hot Shots, there's a scene where it shows the name of a ship written on the side of the ship, which is the SS Essess.

Comedies now are more, well, conservative. Some are 'screwball', but they kind of still take themselves too seriously. Modern Family I think is a good example. It tries to be quirky, but it just ends up being characters with particular mannerisms and affectations. There are some modern shows which I think still have this element, Family Guy is one, where something completely wacky will happen for a gag, though that show tends to overplay it a little. Malcom in the Middle, maybe, but I can't think of many or any movies like that. It seems there is too much concern about things making sense, about conforming with reality.

I haven't seen Modern Family. I actually haven't seen a whole lot of TV these days, but there are some shows these days that I like. I've seen a couple episodes of Family Guy and thought it was funny, but I think I'd agree it might overplay things a little.

The Orville is a newer show that I like. It's created by Seth Macfarlane, who also made Family Guy, so I think it has some of the same type of humor. I like the wacky humor on the show. One of my favorite episodes was when they discovered a time capsule from the early 21st century (The Orville is set in the 2400s). One thing they discover from the time capsule is cigarettes, and a couple of the characters (Bortus and Clyden) start smoking, for comedic effect. The scene with Bortus casually smoking a cigarette on the bridge was one of the funny moments..

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I'll have to try and find it then! I knew it was a series, but I'm a little surprised it was only 6 episodes. That might explain how it was that I missed it then. You often can find episodes of shows on
YouTube, otherwise I'm happy to buy a boxed DVD set. You can't go
wrong with ZAZ comedies from that era.

They're on Youtube. One user posted all 6 together. Each opening and closing
is different... you'll enjoy the ZAZ humor. I'm surprised it didn't work for TV.

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And also Airplane!, or Blazing Saddles..

The clean version of Blazing Saddles is missing every racial slur, the
farting around the campfire scene (they kept the scene and removed the
sound, so they all sort of lift one leg and sit back down, silently)

And, worst of all, changed the name of Lily Von Schtupp! She's Lily Von Sht<silence> on the broadcast version. Must be a german on the FCC board.

It's a nice watch, clocks in at around 11 minutes.


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There's also the scene where the 2 kids are talking and the girl says
how she likes her coffee.. And the scene where the airplane pilot is asking the boy suggestive questions..

Removing Captain Oveur and Joey's scene would be a crime.




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I've seen depictions of the 80s today and it is different to how it actually was. Synthwave is a good example. OBviously 80's inspired, but actually very
little like anything from the 80s.

Some of the shows/movies set in previous times do better at capturing that
time than others. Some seem to go over-the-top, sticking to the cliche
trends of the era for humor. Like lots of big hair for the 1980's. Yes,
that was a thing, but not every woman (or man) had big hair. :)


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So it is also set in the late 1960's - early 1970's? Good luck
getting younger folks to watch.

Not all entertainment needs to be geared toward the "younger folks" We
old folks like to be entertained too. :-)

OH, I agree. It just narrows their audience some, especially if they
expect it to do well on any streaming platforms. :)

I actually enjoy entertainment that is set in times I was not alive for.
For example, I have enjoyed shows like "Mad Men," "The Hour," and
"Endeavour," all which were set in the 1960's/late-1950's. I enjoy
historical fiction in general.


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Re: Re: state of movies
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Brian Rogers on Fri Sep 17 2021 07:49 am

It makes you wonder how Steve Martin's "The Jerk" would be received
if it was a new movie out in the theaters today...

"What's a phone book?"

A book of.. phones? Oh wait...

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Boraxman to Brian Rogers on Thu Sep 23 2021 17:37:00

Never have seen Police Squad!, but I'd really like to.

Police Squad! In Color! wasn't a movie series, it was a 30 minute TV
series to which it only lasted 6 episodes. Worth watching though!

I'll have to try and find it then! I knew it was a series, but I'm a little surprised it was only 6 episodes. That might explain how it was that I missed it then. You often can find episodes of shows on YouTube, otherwise I'm happy to buy a boxed DVD set. You can't go wrong with ZAZ comedies from that era.

It IS available on YouTube. At least here in the US it is.

It was a very Campy Police Comedy, but then what would you expect when it stared Leslie Neilson (from Airplane).
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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Nightfox to Boraxman on Thu Sep 23 2021 08:43 am

I haven't seen Modern Family. I actually haven't seen a whole lot of TV these days, but there are some shows these days that I like. I've seen a

It gets a little long in the tooth, but the earl seasons and the series as a whole is very good.

The Orville is a newer show that I like. It's created by Seth Macfarlane, who also made Family Guy, so I think it has some of the same type of humor. I like the wacky humor on the show. One of my favorite episodes was when they discovered a time capsule from the early 21st century (The Orville is set in the 2400s). One thing they discover from the time capsule is cigarettes, and a couple of the characters (Bortus and Clyden) start smoking, for comedic effect. The scene with Bortus casually smoking a cigarette on the bridge was one of the funny moments..

Just watched that last night with my daughter on our rewatch getting ready for the new season! Although it will still be a little bit - https://www.reddit.com/r/TheOrville/comments/ptz3gi/new_season_starts_march_10_2022/?context=3

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Sep 23 2021 13:51:29

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On 9/21/2021 11:52 PM, Boraxman wrote:

maybe they can have a family and the boy wants to be a girl and dresses
like one. maybe all of the kids can be like that and have hormone
injections.

And a blonde wife with a black husband, because that is so edgy and would trigger the conservatives you know.

Most conservatives I know wouldn't give a damn. Are there racists out
there? Absolutely. The fact is every political party has them, and they
come in all shapes and colors.
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Re: Re: The Wonder Years
By: Tracker1 to Boraxman on Thu Sep 23 2021 04:47 pm

On 9/21/2021 11:52 PM, Boraxman wrote:

maybe they can have a family and the boy wants to be a girl and dresses >> like one. maybe all of the kids can be like that and have hormone
injections.

And a blonde wife with a black husband, because that is so edgy and would trigger the conservatives you know.

Most conservatives I know wouldn't give a damn. Are there racists out
there? Absolutely. The fact is every political party has them, and they
come in all shapes and colors.

From an image I recently found on the Internet:

"It does not matter if you are black, yellow, or normal. Say no to racism."

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Boraxman to Nightfox on
Thu Sep 23 2021 05:45 pm

The Naked Gun movies were based off it. Same gag humor as Airplane
films

I think what I liked about them, and what you don't find much, is they didn't take themselves seriously. They were wacky, but very much so. For example, in Airplane they say "light the runway" or something like that, and you see someone dump lamps on to it. They would do anything for a visual gag, it didn't have to concord with reality or have any continuity. The gags were thrown in just for laughs.

Yes, I think that's what made those movies great. Also in Airplane,
when they're taking off: "You have clearance, Clarence." "Roger, Roger.
What's our vector, Victor?" It's full of gags.

There's little things here and there in those movies too. In Hot
Shots, there's a scene where it shows the name of a ship written on the side of the ship, which is the SS Essess.

Comedies now are more, well, conservative. Some are 'screwball', but they kind of still take themselves too seriously. Modern Family I think is a good example. It tries to be quirky, but it just ends up being characters with particular mannerisms and affectations. There are some modern shows which I think still have this element, Family Guy is one, where something completely wacky will happen for a gag, though that show tends to overplay it a little. Malcom in the Middle, maybe, but I can't think of many or any movies like that. It seems there is too much concern about things making sense, about conforming with reality.

I haven't seen Modern Family. I actually haven't seen a whole lot of
TV these days, but there are some shows these days that I like. I've
seen a couple episodes of Family Guy and thought it was funny, but I
think I'd agree it might overplay things a little.

The Orville is a newer show that I like. It's created by Seth
Macfarlane, who also made Family Guy, so I think it has some of the
same type of humor. I like the wacky humor on the show. One of my favorite episodes was when they discovered a time capsule from the
early 21st century (The Orville is set in the 2400s). One thing they discover from the time capsule is cigarettes, and a couple of the characters (Bortus and Clyden) start smoking, for comedic effect. The scene with Bortus casually smoking a cigarette on the bridge was one of the funny moments..

Never heard of that show, but I'll keep an eye out. Seth McFarlane is quite talented.

Modern Family seemed to get rave reviews, but I couldn't get into it. I watched maybe one episode, part of another and found it irritating. It had that 'hand held camera' fly on the wall style cinematography, and the characters were acting is if they were people playing characters. Kind of similar to how many people actaully are, where they put on a persona. The humour was lacking, and to me, there weren't jokes or anything witty, we were supposed to laugh at HOW they were acting.

All a bit underwhelming.

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Brian
Rogers on Fri Sep 17 2021 07:49 am

It makes you wonder how Steve Martin's "The Jerk" would be received
if it was a new movie out in the theaters today...

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A book of.. phones? Oh wait...

It's the version of Facebook, but specifically designed for mobiles.

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Re: Re: The Wonder Years
By: Tracker1 to Boraxman on Thu Sep 23 2021 04:47 pm

Most conservatives I know wouldn't give a damn. Are there racists out
there? Absolutely. The fact is every political party has them, and they
come in all shapes and colors.

i judge people by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. we should get rid of these destructive labels.

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Re: Re: The Wonder Years
By: Arelor to Tracker1 on Fri Sep 24 2021 03:06 am

From an image I recently found on the Internet:

"It does not matter if you are black, yellow, or normal. Say no to racism."

you cant get rid of racism by saying no. you have to ignore it. giving it attention gives it strength. ignore it into obscurity.

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Boraxman to Nightfox on Fri Sep 24 2021 03:27 pm

The Orville is a newer show that I like. It's created by Seth

Never heard of that show, but I'll keep an eye out. Seth McFarlane is quite talented.

The Orville started in 2017.. Haven't heard anything of it in the last 4 years?

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Re: Re: The Wonder Years
By: MRO to Arelor on Fri Sep 24 2021 09:05 am

you cant get rid of racism by saying no. you have to ignore it. giving it attention gives it strength. ignore it into obscurity.

That's what I've been thinking more and more.. It seems that by talking about racism, we keep bringing attention to it, and racism keeps being a thing.

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Re: Re: The Wonder Years
By: MRO to Arelor on Fri Sep 24 2021 09:05 am

Re: Re: The Wonder Years
By: Arelor to Tracker1 on Fri Sep 24 2021 03:06 am

From an image I recently found on the Internet:

"It does not matter if you are black, yellow, or normal. Say no to racism

you cant get rid of racism by saying no. you have to ignore it. giving it attention gives it strength. ignore it into obscurity.

Well, I found then image hillarious. It implies that if you are "Black" or "Yellow" you are not a normal person.

They posted it at a Spanish website and the comments were golden. My favourite was:

"Thank God we normal people are slowly learning to treat those dreadful multicolored scumbags as humans."

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Re: Re: The Wonder Years
By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Sep 24 2021 09:04 am

Re: Re: The Wonder Years
By: MRO to Arelor on Fri Sep 24 2021 09:05 am

you cant get rid of racism by saying no. you have to ignore it. giving it attention gives it strength. ignore it into obscurity.

That's what I've been thinking more and more.. It seems that by talking about racism, we keep bringing attention to it, and racism keeps being a thing.

look how much money people are making off of it. those BLM people took all that money and used it on houses and other shit.

think about how much money the news networks are making now. newspapers and other forms of media are making bank now when before they didnt.

people going after people is good for their business.

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Re: Re: The Wonder Years
By: Arelor to MRO on Fri Sep 24 2021 11:16 am

Well, I found then image hillarious. It implies that if you are "Black" or "Yellow" you are not a normal person.

They posted it at a Spanish website and the comments were golden. My favourite was:

"Thank God we normal people are slowly learning to treat those dreadful multicolored scumbags as humans."

oh i missed that part. someone needed a proof reader.

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Arelor wrote to Tracker1 <=-

"It does not matter if you are black, yellow, or normal. Say no to racism."

Wow.


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Hello poindexter;

"What's a phone book?"

Nevermind that, what's a phone BOOTH?? <G>
I said that mistakenly to a gen z person and they cocked their head like
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MRO wrote to Tracker1 <=-

i judge people by the content of their character, not the color of
their skin. we should get rid of these destructive labels.

Absolutely! It's just like that energy thing that was on the starship enterprise on the original series and it kept getting the crew against themselves because it fed off of the fear it installed. Racism is very
parallel in that the more attention it gets the more it breeds.

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Re: Re: The Wonder Years
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Fri Sep 24 2021 07:49 am

Arelor wrote to Tracker1 <=-

"It does not matter if you are black, yellow, or normal. Say no to racism."

Wow.

poor kids are just as smart as white kids

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Re: Re: The Wonder Years
By: Arelor to Tracker1 on
Fri Sep 24 2021 03:06 am

From an image I recently found on the Internet:

"It does not matter if you are black, yellow, or normal. Say no to racism."

you cant get rid of racism by saying no. you have to ignore it. giving
it attention gives it strength. ignore it into obscurity.

I don't think it is that simple. Humans by nature are tribal. You can choose to ignore yours, but you'll be in a weaker position with regards to those who don't ignore theirs.


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Re: Re: The Wonder Years
By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat Sep 25 2021 06:21 pm

you cant get rid of racism by saying no. you have to ignore it. giving it attention gives it strength. ignore it into obscurity.

I don't think it is that simple. Humans by nature are tribal. You can choose to ignore yours, but you'll be in a weaker position with regards to those who don't ignore theirs.

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by nature, people are aggressive and want to enslave other people.
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Is it me or are movies just completely boring now?

Another Fast and Furious? Boooooooooooring.
Another superhero film? Seriously.... cmon.
How aboutan awesome adventure movie? Harrison Ford is getting too old.

And anything that seems out of the ordinary from the typical movie is probably made by netflix and has some underlying political theme regarding racism, transphobia, or right-wing hate.

Why can't we just have another cool WAR GAMES or EXPLORERS or LAST STARFIGHTER or hell, LAST DRAGON... Not a remake, not a reboot, something new and different.

I had high hopes for Ready Player One because the book was decent but nope. I think Sandler's Pixels was more fun.

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I would have to agree. The new movies are getting boring. I think Hollywood has run out of gas it seems. It's all about quantity not quality like it used to be.

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I would have to agree. The new movies are getting boring. I think Hollywood has run out of gas it seems. It's all about quantity not
quality like it used to be.

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to NIGHTFOX on Mon Sep 20 2021 10:08 pm

Did you ever watch Police Squad! In Color!

I've hard of it, but I haven't seen it.

Was only 6 episodes, and done by the same guys that did Airplane.
The public just didn't get it... Was too dry...




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BRIAN ROGERS wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

I think it and Blazing Saddles just simply wouldn't be made
today. And I think they are both hilarious!

People today have forgotten how to laugh at themselves which is an important thing to survive in today's world. After all if you can't
laugh at yourself you have no business laughing at others.

Yep - people just want to get offended now.






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BRIAN ROGERS wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to BRIAN ROGERS <=-

But that's the whole point - they were so non sequitor. :-) And Joey didn't even pay attention, so you could say it's a statement on how
kids don't actually pick up on 'adult conversation.' :-)

Back then perhaps but in today's school "literature", they teach young teens and tweens about things such as homosexuality and anal sex. I
always thought those were things that would land you in prison - not today... but you can't use that sort of humor in movies.

True.

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Haven't heard that in a while. :-)



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MOONDOG wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-

Did you ever watch Police Squad! In Color!

I've hard of it, but I haven't seen it.

The Naked Gun movies were based off it. Same gag humor as Airplane
films

In my opinion, the Naked Gun moves were NOT nearly as funny... They
were not dry enough.



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BORAXMAN wrote to MOONDOG <=-

Ahh, the Zucker, Abrahams and Zucker movies. My favourite comedies.
Never have seen Police Squad!, but I'd really like to.

Airplane in my opinion is the best comedy movie I've ever seen.

Then you should VERY much look it up! I bought the DVD a few years
ago...




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NIGHTFOX wrote to <=-

That's actually some of my favorite type of comedy. Airplane and Naked Gun are some of my favorite movies.

The producers of Airplane also made Top Secret and Hot Shots, which are
a couple other of my favorite comedy movies.

Yeah, they were both great too!

I miss movies like that.. Seems like they don't make movies with that kind of humor anymore.

The Scary Movie series was okay, but didn't quite get to the same level...



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POINDEXTER FORTRAN wrote to BRIAN ROGERS <=-

It makes you wonder how Steve Martin's "The Jerk" would be received if
it was a new movie out in the theaters today...

"What's a phone book?"

LOL - very good point :-)





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POINDEXTER FORTRAN wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-

And also Airplane!, or Blazing Saddles..

The clean version of Blazing Saddles is missing every racial slur, the farting around the campfire scene (they kept the scene and removed the sound, so they all sort of lift one leg and sit back down, silently)

And, worst of all, changed the name of Lily Von Schtupp! She's Lily Von Sht<silence> on the broadcast version. Must be a german on the FCC
board.

Had to google the definition - LOL - I appreciate the name more now. :-)

It's a nice watch, clocks in at around 11 minutes.

LOL



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ARELOR wrote to TRACKER1 <=-

From an image I recently found on the Internet:

"It does not matter if you are black, yellow, or normal. Say no to racism."

That's funny - have to be careful who you tell it to though. LOL

Kinda like the advertisement I saw once for some new shirts that say,
and I quote, "THERE ARE MORE THAN TWO GENDERS." Of course the ad
was proud to say that they come in both men and women. :-)





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Re: Re: state of movies
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to NIGHTFOX on Thu Oct 14 2021 02:44 pm

Did you ever watch Police Squad! In Color!

I've hard of it, but I haven't seen it.

Was only 6 episodes, and done by the same guys that did Airplane.
The public just didn't get it... Was too dry...

I heard the Naked Gun movies were based on Police Squad.

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to NIGHTFOX on Thu Oct 14 2021 02:52 pm

The producers of Airplane also made Top Secret and Hot Shots, which
are a couple other of my favorite comedy movies.

I miss movies like that.. Seems like they don't make movies with
that kind of humor anymore.

The Scary Movie series was okay, but didn't quite get to the same level...

I never associated the Scary Movie series with movies like Airplane, etc..

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Hello JIMMY ANDERSON;

JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to BRIAN ROGERS <=-

Yep - people just want to get offended now.

Unfortunately you're quite correct. Watch some old Laugh-In episodes. They'd never last in today's world.


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NIGHTFOX wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

Did you ever watch Police Squad! In Color!

I've hard of it, but I haven't seen it.

Was only 6 episodes, and done by the same guys that did Airplane.
The public just didn't get it... Was too dry...

I heard the Naked Gun movies were based on Police Squad.

Loosly, IMHO... The main actor was the same, and his charecter
was the same guy, but everyone else was different. OJ Simpson
played Norbergh (sp?) but was a different actor on the television
show.

Also - the television show was a parady of the episodic shows of
the 70's & 80's - Streets of San Francisco, Kojack, Rockford
Files, etc. Naked Gun was more of a general comedy with some
parody thrown in.




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NIGHTFOX wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

The producers of Airplane also made Top Secret and Hot Shots, which
are a couple other of my favorite comedy movies.

I miss movies like that.. Seems like they don't make movies with
that kind of humor anymore.

The Scary Movie series was okay, but didn't quite get to the same level...

I never associated the Scary Movie series with movies like Airplane,
etc..

Only in that they were parodies of a particular genre and even had some elements that were parodies of SPECIFIC movies of those genres. Airplane
was the same, to a degree, but SO so much 'better' (subjective term, I know, just giving my opinion).




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Re: Re: state of movies
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to NIGHTFOX on Tue Oct 26 2021 02:25 pm

played Norbergh (sp?) but was a different actor on the television
show.

Also - the television show was a parady of the episodic shows of
the 70's & 80's - Streets of San Francisco, Kojack, Rockford
Files, etc. Naked Gun was more of a general comedy with some
parody thrown in.

police squad wasn't really a good tv show, later on they honed their comedy.

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Brian Rogers to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tue Oct 26 2021 08:33 am

Yep - people just want to get offended now.

Unfortunately you're quite correct. Watch some old Laugh-In episodes. They'd never last in today's world.

How did "Laugh-In" get away with that stuff? Then there's All in the Family. These shows would be constantly in the courts.

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Unfortunately you're quite correct. Watch some old Laugh-In episodes. They'd never last in today's world.

Laugh-In was VERY timely.

I remember seeing some episodes when I was a kid and I didn't get some of the more political jokes. Today, I watch the same episodes and I still don't get some of the political jokes because the politics of the time are long gone.

What I find interesting is that when they were first broadcast, they were offensive to the "right". Today they are offensive to the "left".


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HUSTLER wrote to BRIAN ROGERS <=-

How did "Laugh-In" get away with that stuff? Then there's All in the Family. These shows would be constantly in the courts.

The interesting thing about All in the Family, people like to mention it
as 'offensive' but Archie was usually the BUTT of the 'issues' and moral discussion. It was actually very progressive, IMO.





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Re: Re: state of movies
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to HUSTLER on Thu Oct 28 2021 08:48 am

The interesting thing about All in the Family, people like to mention it
as 'offensive' but Archie was usually the BUTT of the 'issues' and moral discussion. It was actually very progressive, IMO.

Very Progressive! Things were said that nobody else could. That show wouldn't't
last a month in today's world. Not on network TV anyway. Jefferson was the "equalizer". I think any type of name calling is prohibited these days.

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How did "Laugh-In" get away with that stuff? Then there's All in the Family. These shows would be constantly in the courts.

Back in the late 60's and 70's we all had much thicker skin and could appreciate
humor for the wit that was used to create it, not for any sort of hatred that it was NOT intended for.

Today people seem to look for things to hate about just so they can spread hate while trying to justify their behaviors due to the simple words someone may say.

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Dr. What wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

Laugh-In was VERY timely.

Many shows of that era were. I suppose that's what made them so classic.

I remember seeing some episodes when I was a kid and I didn't get some
of the more political jokes. Today, I watch the same episodes and I
still don't get some of the political jokes because the politics of the time are long gone.

Most of the political jokes as you say I didn't get as a kid but I do get most of them now. Another show which was like that was the old Rocky & Bullwinkle toons! The lines were one right after another after another... most of which
as a kid I didn't quite understand but if I can catch an episode here and
there the humor was almost overkill... and that was animated!

What I find interesting is that when they were first broadcast, they
were offensive to the "right". Today they are offensive to the "left".

I actually thought they were fairly decent at being pretty neutral all things considered for the era.


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Brian Rogers wrote to HusTler <=-

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Hello HusTler;

HusTler wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

How did "Laugh-In" get away with that stuff? Then there's All in the Family. These shows would be constantly in the courts.

Back in the late 60's and 70's we all had much thicker skin and could appreciate
humor for the wit that was used to create it, not for any sort of
hatred that it was NOT intended for.

Today people seem to look for things to hate about just so they can
spread hate while trying to justify their behaviors due to the simple words someone may say.

I think it's only a minority of people who are thin skinned. The difference is that in the 70's people didn't listen to the crazies, now they do. Companies are bending towards a vocal minority because the mid-wits that staff them are out of touch and don't realise that 10 flouro-haird nutcases on Twitter don't represent the world at large.

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Hello Boraxman;

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I think it's only a minority of people who are thin skinned. The difference is that in the 70's people didn't listen to the crazies, now they do. Companies are bending towards a vocal minority because the mid-wits that staff them are out of touch and don't realise that 10 flouro-haird nutcases on Twitter don't represent the world at large.

I totally agree! These days they make the minority a majority which is so
very wrong... at least from what I know anyway. Sad but that sums things
up good. Well said!

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Boraxman to Brian Rogers on Fri Oct 29 2021 12:35 pm

Brian Rogers wrote to HusTler <=-

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Hello HusTler;

HusTler wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

How did "Laugh-In" get away with that stuff? Then there's All in the Family. These shows would be constantly in the courts.

Back in the late 60's and 70's we all had much thicker skin and could appreciate
humor for the wit that was used to create it, not for any sort of hatred that it was NOT intended for.

Today people seem to look for things to hate about just so they can spread hate while trying to justify their behaviors due to the simple words someone may say.

I think it's only a minority of people who are thin skinned. The difference that in the 70's people didn't listen to the crazies, now they do. Companie are bending towards a vocal minority because the mid-wits that staff them ar out of touch and don't realise that 10 flouro-haird nutcases on Twitter don' represent the world at large.

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I agree. The thin skinned folks are a small but vocal minority that not only speak out alot, but also know which channels of coomunication work the best. Prohibition was thought up by a small gorup that was against alcohol, and had larger sponsors such as Henry Ford. No politician would say publicly that
they were against prohibition because that would've been spread through the newspapers and radio, in effect leadign to shame and a primitive form of cancelling.

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Boraxman to Brian Rogers on
Fri Oct 29 2021 12:35 pm

Brian Rogers wrote to HusTler <=-

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Hello HusTler;

HusTler wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

How did "Laugh-In" get away with that stuff? Then there's All in the Family. These shows would be constantly in the courts.

Back in the late 60's and 70's we all had much thicker skin and could appreciate
humor for the wit that was used to create it, not for any sort of hatred that it was NOT intended for.

Today people seem to look for things to hate about just so they can spread hate while trying to justify their behaviors due to the simple words someone may say.

I think it's only a minority of people who are thin skinned. The difference that in the 70's people didn't listen to the crazies, now they do. Companie are bending towards a vocal minority because the mid-wits that staff them ar out of touch and don't realise that 10 flouro-haird nutcases on Twitter don' represent the world at large.

... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!

I agree. The thin skinned folks are a small but vocal minority that
not only speak out alot, but also know which channels of coomunication work the best. Prohibition was thought up by a small gorup that was against alcohol, and had larger sponsors such as Henry Ford. No politician would say publicly that they were against prohibition
because that would've been spread through the newspapers and radio, in effect leadign to shame and a primitive form of cancelling.

Who would have thought prohibitionists would look like the way Wokesters look today, but here we are. They are the prohibitionists of the modern era.

I have stopped caring whether someone thinks I'm 'bigoted' or not. If you don't care what these people think, they lose power. Instead of debating them, trying to debunk them, we should just laugh at them. Laugh and mock and most importantly, NOT take them seriously.

This is what irks me about conservatives. They take them seriously, they argue with them, which gives them the gravitas they need to survive.

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Boraxman to Moondog on Mon Nov 01 2021 10:08 pm

politician would say publicly that they were against prohibition because that would've been spread through the newspapers and radio, in effect leadign to shame and a primitive form of cancelling.

Who would have thought prohibitionists would look like the way Wokesters look today, but here we are. They are the prohibitionists of the modern era.

prohibition was a crock of shit. you could buy old forrester, a whiskey in the pharmacy in the usa. bars still served beer in some cases.
in some cases you could serve alcohol if it was with food.

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Boraxman to Moondog on Mon Nov 01 2021 10:08 pm

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Boraxman to Brian Rogers on
Fri Oct 29 2021 12:35 pm

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Hello HusTler;

HusTler wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

How did "Laugh-In" get away with that stuff? Then there's All in th Family. These shows would be constantly in the courts.

Back in the late 60's and 70's we all had much thicker skin and coul appreciate
humor for the wit that was used to create it, not for any sort of hatred that it was NOT intended for.

Today people seem to look for things to hate about just so they can spread hate while trying to justify their behaviors due to the simpl words someone may say.

I think it's only a minority of people who are thin skinned. The differe that in the 70's people didn't listen to the crazies, now they do. Compa are bending towards a vocal minority because the mid-wits that staff them out of touch and don't realise that 10 flouro-haird nutcases on Twitter d represent the world at large.

... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!

I agree. The thin skinned folks are a small but vocal minority that not only speak out alot, but also know which channels of coomunication work the best. Prohibition was thought up by a small gorup that was against alcohol, and had larger sponsors such as Henry Ford. No politician would say publicly that they were against prohibition because that would've been spread through the newspapers and radio, in effect leadign to shame and a primitive form of cancelling.

Who would have thought prohibitionists would look like the way Wokesters loo today, but here we are. They are the prohibitionists of the modern era.

I have stopped caring whether someone thinks I'm 'bigoted' or not. If you don't care what these people think, they lose power. Instead of debating th trying to debunk them, we should just laugh at them. Laugh and mock and mos importantly, NOT take them seriously.

This is what irks me about conservatives. They take them seriously, they ar with them, which gives them the gravitas they need to survive.

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: MRO to Boraxman on Mon Nov 01 2021 06:28 pm

Re: Re: state of movies
By: Boraxman to Moondog on Mon Nov 01 2021 10:08 pm

politician would say publicly that they were against prohibition because that would've been spread through the newspapers and radio, effect leadign to shame and a primitive form of cancelling.

Who would have thought prohibitionists would look like the way Wokesters look today, but here we are. They are the prohibitionists of the modern era.

prohibition was a crock of shit. you could buy old forrester, a whiskey in in some cases you could serve alcohol if it was with food.

Liquor could be provided for free as part of an entertainment event. One speakeasy was called the "blind pig" because people would pay to see an attraction known as the blind pig. See the pig, get a drink.

There were loads of ways to game the system, which showed how the populace
was against prohibition, but still had to endure the law.

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Boraxman to Brian Rogers on Thu Sep 23 2021 06:37 pm

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Ahh, the Zucker, Abrahams and Zucker movies. My favourite comedies. Never have seen Police Squad!, but I'd really like to.

Police Squad! In Color! wasn't a movie series, it was a 30 minute TV series to which it only lasted 6 episodes. Worth watching though!

I'll have to try and find it then! I knew it was a series, but I'm a little surprised it was only 6 episodes. That might explain how it was that I miss it then. You often can find episodes of shows on YouTube, otherwise I'm hap to buy a boxed DVD set. You can't go wrong with ZAZ comedies from that era.

Sorry old post. I am behind but I did come across Police Squad for the first time on Youtube and thought it was great. Here is a link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2_tJIgfnDA

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Nopants to Boraxman on Fri Nov 19 2021 02:35 pm

By: Boraxman to Brian Rogers on Thu Sep 23 2021 06:37 pm

Sorry old post. I am behind but I did come across Police Squad for the

Prepare for those who like to complain about necro-posting.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Nightfox to Nopants on Fri Nov 19 2021 02:27 pm

Re: Re: state of movies
By: Nopants to Boraxman on Fri Nov 19 2021 02:35 pm

By: Boraxman to Brian Rogers on Thu Sep 23 2021 06:37 pm

Sorry old post. I am behind but I did come across Police Squad for the

Prepare for those who like to complain about necro-posting.

Nightfox

I don't mind necroposting. I just love complaining about it. Totally different things :-)

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Nightfox to Nopants on Fri Nov 19 2021 02:27 pm

Re: Re: state of movies
By: Nopants to Boraxman on Fri Nov 19 2021 02:35 pm

By: Boraxman to Brian Rogers on Thu Sep 23 2021 06:37 pm

Sorry old post. I am behind but I did come across Police Squad for the

Prepare for those who like to complain about necro-posting.

Nightfox

you're the guy that complains about the complaining.

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Arelor to Nightfox on Sat Nov 20 2021 06:41 am

Nightfox

I don't mind necroposting. I just love complaining about it. Totally different things :-)

there's a time and a place for it.

nightfox just mistakes someone not knowing how to update their msg pointers with someone who is just digging up old shit because they are lazy.

and there's the guys who go away for 3+ months and start replying to all the old shit. i dont think that's right. read it but update your msg pointers if you take a long vacation from msg networks.
everything that could have been talked about in that time already has been talked about.

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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Nightfox to Nopants on Fri Nov 19 2021 02:27 pm

Sorry old post. I am behind but I did come across Police Squad for the

Prepare for those who like to complain about necro-posting.

Nightfox

I brought the links. Complainers should watch those 9 epiodes of Police Squad and stfu. You're welcome ;)


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Re: Re: state of movies
By: Nopants to Nightfox on Sat Nov 20 2021 11:37 am

Re: Re: state of movies
By: Nightfox to Nopants on Fri Nov 19 2021 02:27 pm

Sorry old post. I am behind but I did come across Police Squad for the

Prepare for those who like to complain about necro-posting.

Nightfox

I brought the links. Complainers should watch those 9 epiodes of Police Squad and stfu. You're welcome ;)

i dont think people could sit through 2 episodes of police squad.

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