• C.O.P. .357

    From Weatherman@VERT/TLCBBS to All on Tue Apr 18 08:21:58 2023
    Finally! I finally have one in my collection. First saw this in 1980 in a pawn
    shop in Panama City, FL. Didn't purchase because I had "other" things to spend my money on. Fast forward 40 years, saw one at a gun show in Cheyenne, WY.
    Was
    shocked at the $1500 price, and so let it go. Later that year, found a left-hand
    draw holster for one for all of $15 and bought it. Figured that one day I'd fill
    it.

    Well, this past weekend as I was browsing tables at a gun show, I spotted it. At
    less than a grand I didn't care that it didn't come with a box or manual. I just
    wanted that gun and now I have it. It's in my safe RIGHT NOW.

    Now, this is NOT a shooter's gun. Only four shots, and if you are silly enough to load it with magnum loads, you deserve the discomfort. Horrible trigger pull,
    one point of aim and four points of impact. It's horrible. Just terrible.
    And
    that is why I had to have it. And now I do.. The C.O.P. .357 magnum 4 barrel derringer style pistol is now mine.
    Regards,
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Weatherman on Tue Apr 18 13:38:00 2023
    Weatherman wrote to All <=-

    Finally! I finally have one in my collection. First saw this in
    1980 in a pawn
    shop in Panama City, FL. Didn't purchase because I had "other"
    things to spend my money on. Fast forward 40 years, saw one at a
    gun show in Cheyenne, WY. Was
    shocked at the $1500 price, and so let it go. Later that year,
    found a left-hand
    draw holster for one for all of $15 and bought it. Figured that
    one day I'd fill
    it.

    Well, this past weekend as I was browsing tables at a gun show, I
    spotted it. At
    less than a grand I didn't care that it didn't come with a box or
    manual. I just
    wanted that gun and now I have it. It's in my safe RIGHT NOW.

    Now, this is NOT a shooter's gun. Only four shots, and if you
    are silly enough to load it with magnum loads, you deserve the
    discomfort. Horrible trigger pull,
    one point of aim and four points of impact. It's horrible. Just terrible. And
    that is why I had to have it. And now I do.. The C.O.P. .357
    magnum 4 barrel derringer style pistol is now mine.

    Wow, have never heard/seen of this before. I'm a huge fan of the
    caliber, but not sure I'd want to shoot this one more than once. :-)

    Your palm will be numb after the 4th shot. Very interesting, thanks for sharing.



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  • From Weatherman@VERT/TLCBBS to Gamgee on Wed Apr 19 08:11:05 2023
    Weatherman wrote to All <=-

    Finally! I finally have one in my collection. First saw this in
    1980 in a pawn
    shop in Panama City, FL. Didn't purchase because I had "other"
    things to spend my money on. Fast forward 40 years, saw one at a
    gun show in Cheyenne, WY. Was
    shocked at the $1500 price, and so let it go. Later that year,
    found a left-hand
    draw holster for one for all of $15 and bought it. Figured that
    one day I'd fill
    it.

    Well, this past weekend as I was browsing tables at a gun show, I spotted it. At
    less than a grand I didn't care that it didn't come with a box or manual. I just
    wanted that gun and now I have it. It's in my safe RIGHT NOW.

    Now, this is NOT a shooter's gun. Only four shots, and if you
    are silly enough to load it with magnum loads, you deserve the discomfort. Horrible trigger pull,
    one point of aim and four points of impact. It's horrible. Just terrible. And
    that is why I had to have it. And now I do.. The C.O.P. .357
    magnum 4 barrel derringer style pistol is now mine.

    Wow, have never heard/seen of this before. I'm a huge fan of the
    caliber, but not sure I'd want to shoot this one more than once. :-)

    Your palm will be numb after the 4th shot. Very interesting, thanks for sharing.


    Yeah, they only made it for six years, checking... 1983 to 1989, so I guess I first saw it in '83. I know it was before I was transferred to Alaska, so it had to have been 83-84. Regardless, 40 years ago. Haven't been able to track down the actual number manufactured, but since it was essentially a one-product company (they also made one in .22 WMR I guess), I doubt there were very many produced. As I said, I've only seen the beast three times in 40 years, and I have done a LOT of looking!

    Going to have to make a Derringer Day at the range. .38 sp/.357, 10 mm and .22 WMR all just begging to be taken out for some fun in the sun...


    Regards,
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Weatherman on Sun Apr 23 09:30:00 2023
    Re: Re: C.O.P. .357
    By: Weatherman to Gamgee on Wed Apr 19 2023 08:11 am

    Weatherman wrote to All <=-

    Finally! I finally have one in my collection. First saw this in 1980 in a pawn
    shop in Panama City, FL. Didn't purchase because I had "other" things to spend my money on. Fast forward 40 years, saw one at a gun show in Cheyenne, WY. Was
    shocked at the $1500 price, and so let it go. Later that year, found a left-hand
    draw holster for one for all of $15 and bought it. Figured that
    one day I'd fill
    it.

    Well, this past weekend as I was browsing tables at a gun show, I spotted it. At
    less than a grand I didn't care that it didn't come with a box or manual. I just
    wanted that gun and now I have it. It's in my safe RIGHT NOW.

    Now, this is NOT a shooter's gun. Only four shots, and if you
    are silly enough to load it with magnum loads, you deserve the discomfort. Horrible trigger pull,
    one point of aim and four points of impact. It's horrible. Just terrible. And
    that is why I had to have it. And now I do.. The C.O.P. .357 magnum 4 barrel derringer style pistol is now mine.

    Wow, have never heard/seen of this before. I'm a huge fan of the caliber, but not sure I'd want to shoot this one more than once. :-)

    Your palm will be numb after the 4th shot. Very interesting, thanks for sharing.


    Yeah, they only made it for six years, checking... 1983 to 1989, so I gues first saw it in '83. I know it was before I was transferred to Alaska, so i had to have been 83-84. Regardless, 40 years ago. Haven't been able to tra down the actual number manufactured, but since it was essentially a one-prod company (they also made one in .22 WMR I guess), I doubt there were very man produced. As I said, I've only seen the beast three times in 40 years, and have done a LOT of looking!

    Going to have to make a Derringer Day at the range. .38 sp/.357, 10 mm and WMR all just begging to be taken out for some fun in the sun...


    Regards,
    -==*>Weatherman<*==-

    Years ago a friend bought a Ruger .357 (GP100?) with a 2 inch barrel. The sig hts were crude, and hitting anything past 15 feet was a miracle. It wasn't
    fun to shoot, but I figure a gun like that is better suited for a bug out or backup gun. In reality the gun would probably see use within bad breath distance

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  • From Weatherman@VERT/TLCBBS to Moondog on Mon Apr 24 08:13:36 2023
    Re: Re: C.O.P. .357


    Years ago a friend bought a Ruger .357 (GP100?) with a 2 inch barrel. The sig hts were crude, and hitting anything past 15 feet was a miracle. It wasn't
    fun to shoot, but I figure a gun like that is better suited for a bug out or backup gun. In reality the gun would probably see use within bad breath distance

    ---

    Have a GP100 with six inch barrel, nice sites. Pretty damned accurate handgun. Don't carry it as it's a pain in the neck when getting in and out of cars.
    Need
    an old style cross draw holster... Still, I do have a couple of .38 sp snubbies
    and I know exactly what you mean about the sights....


    Regards,
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Weatherman on Tue Apr 25 11:19:00 2023
    Re: Re: C.O.P. .357
    By: Weatherman to Moondog on Mon Apr 24 2023 08:13 am

    Re: Re: C.O.P. .357


    Years ago a friend bought a Ruger .357 (GP100?) with a 2 inch barrel. Th sig hts were crude, and hitting anything past 15 feet was a miracle. It wasn't
    fun to shoot, but I figure a gun like that is better suited for a bug out backup gun. In reality the gun would probably see use within bad breath distance

    ---

    Have a GP100 with six inch barrel, nice sites. Pretty damned accurate handg Don't carry it as it's a pain in the neck when getting in and out of cars. Need
    an old style cross draw holster... Still, I do have a couple of .38 sp snubbies
    and I know exactly what you mean about the sights....


    Regards,
    -==*>Weatherman<*==-


    I have no complaints about Ruger firearms. They're good shooters at a decent price point. It's a shame they don't have the appeal or prestige as other manufacturers with comparable product.

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  • From Weatherman@VERT/TLCBBS to Moondog on Wed Apr 26 10:28:13 2023
    Re: Re: C.O.P. .357
    By: Weatherman to Moondog on Mon Apr 24 2023 08:13 am

    Re: Re: C.O.P. .357


    Years ago a friend bought a Ruger .357 (GP100?) with a 2 inch barrel. Th sig hts were crude, and hitting anything past 15 feet was a miracle. It wasn't
    fun to shoot, but I figure a gun like that is better suited for a bug out backup gun. In reality the gun would probably see use within bad breath distance

    ---

    Have a GP100 with six inch barrel, nice sites. Pretty damned accurate handg Don't carry it as it's a pain in the neck when getting in and out of cars. Need
    an old style cross draw holster... Still, I do have a couple of .38 sp snubbies
    and I know exactly what you mean about the sights....


    Regards,
    -==*>Weatherman<*==-


    I have no complaints about Ruger firearms. They're good shooters at a decent price point. It's a shame they don't have the appeal or prestige as other manufacturers with comparable product.


    I always have liked Rugers. Have several in calibers from .22 to .45 Colt. I was never one to be overly concerned with the prestige of a brand, instead preferring to concentrate on quality and usefulness. I find that a lot of times a big name that draws a big price is just an example of spending extra money for that name and not receiving anything else in return....

    Regards,
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Weatherman on Wed Apr 26 22:22:00 2023
    Re: Re: C.O.P. .357
    By: Weatherman to Moondog on Wed Apr 26 2023 10:28 am

    Re: Re: C.O.P. .357
    By: Weatherman to Moondog on Mon Apr 24 2023 08:13 am

    Re: Re: C.O.P. .357


    Years ago a friend bought a Ruger .357 (GP100?) with a 2 inch barre Th sig hts were crude, and hitting anything past 15 feet was a miracle. It wasn't
    fun to shoot, but I figure a gun like that is better suited for a b out backup gun. In reality the gun would probably see use within b breath distance

    ---

    Have a GP100 with six inch barrel, nice sites. Pretty damned accurate handg Don't carry it as it's a pain in the neck when getting in and ou of cars. Need
    an old style cross draw holster... Still, I do have a couple of .38 snubbies
    and I know exactly what you mean about the sights....


    Regards,
    -==*>Weatherman<*==-


    I have no complaints about Ruger firearms. They're good shooters at a decent price point. It's a shame they don't have the appeal or prestige other manufacturers with comparable product.


    I always have liked Rugers. Have several in calibers from .22 to .45 Colt. was never one to be overly concerned with the prestige of a brand, instead preferring to concentrate on quality and usefulness. I find that a lot of times a big name that draws a big price is just an example of spending extra money for that name and not receiving anything else in return....

    Regards,
    -==*>Weatherman<*==-

    I get what you're saying about having a name that delivers a larger price, however I find it strange that Ruger's auto-loading pistols haven't sold as well as Smith and Wessons or similar priced guns. I don't know many police
    or security guys who carry Rugers. I see alot of Sigs, Glocks, and Smiths.

    I find it silly how snobbish people get when someone says they own a P-series Ruger.

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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/FINALZON to Weatherman on Fri May 5 19:23:00 2023
    Weatherman wrote to All <=-

    Finally! I finally have one in my collection. First saw this in 1980
    in a pawn

    Very cool! Glad you finally have one! Not one I'm familiar with, but interesting sounding. :-)





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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/FINALZON to Moondog on Fri May 5 19:25:00 2023
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    Years ago a friend bought a Ruger .357 (GP100?) with a 2 inch barrel.
    The sig hts were crude, and hitting anything past 15 feet was a
    miracle. It wasn't fun to shoot, but I figure a gun like that is
    better suited for a bug out or backup gun. In reality the gun would probably see use within bad breath distance

    I call those belly guns... If you are accosted and need SOMETHING you
    jam it in the belly and pull the trigger...







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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/FINALZON to Weatherman on Fri May 5 19:31:00 2023
    Weatherman wrote to Moondog <=-



    I have no complaints about Ruger firearms. They're good shooters at a decent price point. It's a shame they don't have the appeal or prestige as other manufacturers with comparable product.


    I always have liked Rugers. Have several in calibers from .22 to .45 Colt. I was never one to be overly concerned with the prestige of a brand, instead preferring to concentrate on quality and usefulness. I find that a lot of times a big name that draws a big price is just an example of spending extra money for that name and not receiving
    anything else in return....

    Same here... The little Wrangler is an EXCELLANT gun! And now they have the "super" model for magnum?!?!




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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/FINALZON to Moondog on Fri May 5 19:33:00 2023
    Moondog wrote to Weatherman <=-

    I get what you're saying about having a name that delivers a larger
    price, however I find it strange that Ruger's auto-loading pistols
    haven't sold as well as Smith and Wessons or similar priced guns. I
    don't know many police or security guys who carry Rugers. I see alot
    of Sigs, Glocks, and Smiths.

    I find it silly how snobbish people get when someone says they own a P-series Ruger.

    Not just guns... I have an old Yamaha acoustic guitar that was made in
    69. It's basically a copy of a D-18 Martin, and people at bluegrass jams
    will comment on the sound, and then they see the headstock and you can
    see the nose turn up cause it 'ain't a Martin...'

    :-)





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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Jimmy Anderson on Sat May 6 21:33:00 2023
    Re: snobby
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Moondog on Fri May 05 2023 07:33 pm

    Moondog wrote to Weatherman <=-

    I get what you're saying about having a name that delivers a larger price, however I find it strange that Ruger's auto-loading pistols haven't sold as well as Smith and Wessons or similar priced guns. I don't know many police or security guys who carry Rugers. I see alot of Sigs, Glocks, and Smiths.

    I find it silly how snobbish people get when someone says they own a P-series Ruger.

    Not just guns... I have an old Yamaha acoustic guitar that was made in
    69. It's basically a copy of a D-18 Martin, and people at bluegrass jams will comment on the sound, and then they see the headstock and you can
    see the nose turn up cause it 'ain't a Martin...'

    :-)





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  • From Weatherman@VERT/TLCBBS to Jimmy Anderson on Sun May 7 02:01:00 2023
    Jimmy Anderson wrote to Weatherman <=-

    Weatherman wrote to All <=-

    Finally! I finally have one in my collection. First saw this in 1980
    in a pawn

    Very cool! Glad you finally have one! Not one I'm familiar with, but interesting sounding. :-)

    I'll be the first to admit that it's a guilty pleasure. As mentioned before, trigger pull is horrible, there's nowhere near enough barrel for the rifling to stablize the projectile, sights are about on par with a low-end J-frame.....

    I just had to have it. I guess that's where I am in my collection, I have the meat and potatos, now I'm adding the gravy. Wife is in the same place. She's got a couple of Henry tributes she'd like to grab, but today she picked up some limited edition North American Arms mini-revolvers that she really liked. Again, not a "shooter's gun" but a couple of nice conversation starters....



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  • From Weatherman@VERT/TLCBBS to Jimmy Anderson on Sun May 7 02:08:00 2023
    Jimmy Anderson wrote to Weatherman <=-

    Weatherman wrote to Moondog <=-



    I have no complaints about Ruger firearms. They're good shooters at a decent price point. It's a shame they don't have the appeal or prestige as other manufacturers with comparable product.


    I always have liked Rugers. Have several in calibers from .22 to .45 Colt. I was never one to be overly concerned with the prestige of a brand, instead preferring to concentrate on quality and usefulness. I find that a lot of times a big name that draws a big price is just an example of spending extra money for that name and not receiving
    anything else in return....

    Same here... The little Wrangler is an EXCELLANT gun! And now they have the "super" model for magnum?!?!

    Have a pair of Wranglers. I like my Single Six (older three-screw model) better, but the Wranger is not bad at all. Certainly better than the Heritage Rough Riders I've managed to accumulate - which are STILL fun little guns to shoot. It's not really a fair comparison, the Single Six is just a top of the line .22 revolver, there's nothing in my mind to compare it to. The Heritage and the Wranger are within the same realm. Heritage does fun things like custom grips, oddball barrel lengths and the like, and the Wrangler is more like a "we'll keep to basics and do the basics well, thank you" kind of item. Either way, at the price range they're in, I have a feeling I'll collect a few more of these .22 plinksters just for fun....



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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to MOONDOG on Mon Jul 17 22:25:00 2023
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    Not just guns... I have an old Yamaha acoustic guitar that was made in
    69. It's basically a copy of a D-18 Martin, and people at bluegrass jams will comment on the sound, and then they see the headstock and you can
    see the nose turn up cause it 'ain't a Martin...'

    Snobbery is universal. I can understand it somewhat. When one gets
    used to a premium product, everything else is "inferior" no matter it's strong or weak
    points.

    Yeah, I get that. But when something is NOT inherently inferior, and
    actually is a great example of being built well and works great and
    people only turn their nose AFTER they see the brand... You know,
    they wouldn't have known the brand by the quality.




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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to WEATHERMAN on Mon Jul 17 22:29:00 2023
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    I'll be the first to admit that it's a guilty pleasure. As mentioned before, trigger pull is horrible, there's nowhere near enough barrel
    for the rifling to stablize the projectile, sights are about on par
    with a low-end J-frame.....

    I just had to have it. I guess that's where I am in my collection, I
    have the meat and potatos, now I'm adding the gravy.

    I understand! We have more guns that we can ever shoot, but we are
    always still looking at new stuff... Wife's father passed away, and
    mother wanted to keep a pistol and a shotgun and wanted my wife to
    have the rest of it, so earlier today I shot a Beretta 92FS and CZ75
    for the first time. :-)

    Wife is in the
    same place. She's got a couple of Henry tributes she'd like to grab,
    but today she picked up some limited edition North American Arms mini-revolvers that she really liked. Again, not a "shooter's gun" but
    a couple of nice conversation starters....

    I saw an add for an NAA last year. Never owned one and didn't have a
    desire for one, but I LOVED the way this one looked. What did she
    get?





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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to WEATHERMAN on Mon Jul 17 22:37:00 2023
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    Same here... The little Wrangler is an EXCELLANT gun! And now they have the "super" model for magnum?!?!

    Have a pair of Wranglers.

    I only have one, but I did buy some upgraded grips for it...

    I like my Single Six (older three-screw
    model) better, but the Wranger is not bad at all.

    I had a Single Six - was stolen in a break in. :( My father
    in law, before he passed, gave me a Heritage with a magnum
    cylinder and I got IMOP grips for it to 'mimic' my old
    Single Six. I'm happy with it. :-)

    Certainly better
    than the Heritage Rough Riders I've managed to accumulate - which are STILL fun little guns to shoot. It's not really a fair comparison, the Single Six is just a top of the line .22 revolver, there's nothing in
    my mind to compare it to.

    Agreed! I bought a barkeep, though, and THAT is a fun little gun! :-) I
    got the one with the simulated case hardened look and wood grips, and I
    bought one of their etched cylinders for it and got a Desantis holster
    for it. :-)

    I bought another Heritage with black finish and black pearl grips - on
    sale at Smokey Mountain Guns - got it home and the sites were off - BAD.

    Sent it back and they replaced it, and the replacement is BETTER but still
    not 'right.' I'm going to, one day, strip the finish on it and twist the
    barral to fix it.

    The Heritage and the Wranger are within the
    same realm. Heritage does fun things like custom grips, oddball barrel lengths and the like, and the Wrangler is more like a "we'll keep to basics and do the basics well, thank you" kind of item. Either way, at
    the price range they're in, I have a feeling I'll collect a few more of these .22 plinksters just for fun....

    Yep! Right there with you! I also caught another little .22 on sale at
    Rural King and picked it up. I can't remember the brand now - Cimmiron
    maybe? What's 'different' about it is the barral is the same size as
    a .45 but the 'hole' is for a .22.

    Guess what I'm saying is that it is BIG and HEAVY...





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  • From Weatherman@VERT/TLCBBS to JIMMY ANDERSON on Sun Jul 30 00:49:00 2023
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    WEATHERMAN wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    Wife is in the
    same place. She's got a couple of Henry tributes she'd like to grab,
    but today she picked up some limited edition North American Arms mini-revolvers that she really liked. Again, not a "shooter's gun" but
    a couple of nice conversation starters....

    I saw an add for an NAA last year. Never owned one and didn't have a desire for one, but I LOVED the way this one looked. What did she
    get?

    She got a 1860 Sheriff .22 WMR. Hexagon barrel is engraved Independence Day 2022 and the grip has a US flag motif as well as the cylinder being blue with 50 white stars on it. Serial number begins with 1776. It's a bit larger than most NAA revolvers with a "typical" SAA shaped grip - although it IS smaller than on normal gun.

    She also picked up a winter edition revolver. Pretty much the standard NAA style revolver, but cerakoted a light blue color with a mountain engraved on one side, snow flakes on the other and white pearlite grips. Came with a cross-draw holster as well.

    She's not much of a shooter any more, although she does enjoy putting a few rounds through her Woodsman every now and again. Me... I've been having some shoulder issues so I can't shoot for very long or things start to get real achey... Still, I DO have some new acquisitions that are just begging to be shot.... my AR-12 being one of them....


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  • From Weatherman@VERT/TLCBBS to JIMMY ANDERSON on Sun Jul 30 01:01:00 2023
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    Agreed! I bought a barkeep, though, and THAT is a fun little gun! :-) I got the one with the simulated case hardened look and wood grips, and I bought one of their etched cylinders for it and got a Desantis holster
    for it. :-)

    Not much impressed with the barkeep. Anything you have to carry a separate tool around just to eject the cases doesn't work for me. I suppose you could use the cylinder pin - if it will fit in the cylinder holes... I know the NAA revolvers are designed to use the cylinder pin to punch out empty shells.

    I bought another Heritage with black finish and black pearl grips - on sale at Smokey Mountain Guns - got it home and the sites were off -
    BAD.

    Sent it back and they replaced it, and the replacement is BETTER but
    still not 'right.' I'm going to, one day, strip the finish on it and
    twist the barral to fix it.

    Doesn't surprise me. Sights on the Heritage revolvers aren't that good to begin with, I can certainly understand if they're off as well. They certainly weren't designed to be target pistols, that's for sure. Still, if they are "minute of tin can" accurate that would be good enough for me.

    We DID pick up a new Heritage Arms .22 revolver at the last gun show. This is a Billy the Kid commerative. Rough Rider 4" barrel with Billy the Kid's image inscribed on the grips. Blued cylinder, barrel, hammer and trigger, the frame itself has a case hardened appearance. Looks nice, hopefully it will shoot nice as well.


    Yep! Right there with you! I also caught another little .22 on sale at Rural King and picked it up. I can't remember the brand now - Cimmiron maybe? What's 'different' about it is the barral is the same size as
    a .45 but the 'hole' is for a .22.

    Guess what I'm saying is that it is BIG and HEAVY...

    I have some Cimmaron .45 revolvers, very nice pieces. Don't have one in .22 but from what I've seen of their .45's you probably got yourself a nice little .22 there....



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