• Lever

    From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to ALL on Wed Sep 9 10:28:00 2020


    I still don't have a 'truck gun' - my wife has a Sub2000 9mm
    PCC and loves it, but I have decided I don't care for the
    'pistol grip' and that iron sight system. I'm more of a
    tradionalist, so I've been looking for a .357 Lever Action.

    There are other reasons... I heard a podcaster say something
    to the effect of, "doesn't look like a scary, black gun (an
    AR) - but looks like a 'cowboy' gun!" Plus, he said, he has
    one that is old and beat up looking, so if his truck is stolen
    he's lost a $200 gun instead of a $1500 AR-15. :-)

    Any thoughts out there?

    I've found a .44 magnum Rossi at the local store, but really
    wanted a .357 instead... Plus I've been wanting to get a
    SAA in a larger caliber, like a .32, but if I had a .357
    lever I could just get a single action 'cowboy' .357 to have
    as a backup truck gun too!




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  • From IB Joe@VERT/JOESBBS to JIMMY ANDERSON on Thu Sep 10 07:21:00 2020
    On 09 Sep 2020, JIMMY ANDERSON said the following...

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    I still don't have a 'truck gun' - my wife has a Sub2000 9mm
    PCC and loves it, but I have decided I don't care for the
    'pistol grip' and that iron sight system. I'm more of a
    tradionalist, so I've been looking for a .357 Lever Action.

    There are other reasons... I heard a podcaster say something
    to the effect of, "doesn't look like a scary, black gun (an
    AR) - but looks like a 'cowboy' gun!" Plus, he said, he has
    one that is old and beat up looking, so if his truck is stolen
    he's lost a $200 gun instead of a $1500 AR-15. :-)

    Any thoughts out there?


    Ummm... not sure where to start... How a gun looks like... shouldn't be a consideration... You sound like my wife buying a gun.... making sure her lipstick matches the handle... and are the bullets pretty enough..

    I see you're stuck on a size thing... .44 bla bla bla... Why use an expensive .44 magnum when a inexpensive 9mm works fine. Seriously you can by a 1000 round box for $150-175... Go to the range and become a better shot and all you'll need is 1 well placed shot and you're good to go...

    I had to go back and re-read .... your original question is on lever... and cowboy look... If it's a self defense gun... semi auto all the way. BTW, you can go online and build an AR at Palmetto State Armory and build an AR for ~ 4-500 bucks.... AND even better get it chambered in 9MM .... I'd have all my self defense guns chambered in 9MM .... I would buy boxes and boxes and boxes of ammunition... Anyway... that's what I would do...


    I've found a .44 magnum Rossi at the local store, but really
    wanted a .357 instead... Plus I've been wanting to get a
    SAA in a larger caliber, like a .32, but if I had a .357
    lever I could just get a single action 'cowboy' .357 to have
    as a backup truck gun too!

    I already told you what I thought on size...

    Good luck!!!

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to IB Joe on Thu Sep 10 18:42:00 2020
    IB Joe wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    I had to go back and re-read .... your original question is on
    lever... and cowboy look... If it's a self defense gun... semi
    auto all the way. BTW, you can go online and build an AR at
    Palmetto State Armory and build an AR for ~ 4-500 bucks.... AND
    even better get it chambered in 9MM .... I'd have all my self
    defense guns chambered in 9MM .... I would buy boxes and boxes
    and boxes of ammunition... Anyway... that's what I would do...

    An AR chambered in 9mm?

    Ummmmmm..... no thanks.



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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to JIMMY ANDERSON on Fri Sep 11 00:04:00 2020
    Re: Lever
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to ALL on Wed Sep 09 2020 10:28 am



    I still don't have a 'truck gun' - my wife has a Sub2000 9mm
    PCC and loves it, but I have decided I don't care for the
    'pistol grip' and that iron sight system. I'm more of a
    tradionalist, so I've been looking for a .357 Lever Action.

    There are other reasons... I heard a podcaster say something
    to the effect of, "doesn't look like a scary, black gun (an
    AR) - but looks like a 'cowboy' gun!" Plus, he said, he has
    one that is old and beat up looking, so if his truck is stolen
    he's lost a $200 gun instead of a $1500 AR-15. :-)

    Any thoughts out there?

    I've found a .44 magnum Rossi at the local store, but really
    wanted a .357 instead... Plus I've been wanting to get a
    SAA in a larger caliber, like a .32, but if I had a .357
    lever I could just get a single action 'cowboy' .357 to have
    as a backup truck gun too!




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    When the market bottom fell out after the last election, I parted together a b asic M4 clone for $400. AR's can be had for cheap if you're patient and do some shopping. Highest priced items on it were the barrel and bolt carrier group, and I got the Mossberg barrel for $89 and the Toolcraft BCG for $70. Freefloat tube was $60, upper receiver was an Aero Precision cosmetic blem
    for $60. Buffer tube, buffer and spring were $45. Lower parts kit was $55. Lower receiver was $50 and the rest was small things like a gas tube for $11 and a cheap gas block for $20. I had a stock and flash hider sitting around.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Gamgee on Sat Sep 12 15:15:00 2020
    Re: Re: Lever
    By: Gamgee to IB Joe on Thu Sep 10 2020 06:42 pm

    IB Joe wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    I had to go back and re-read .... your original question is on
    lever... and cowboy look... If it's a self defense gun... semi
    auto all the way. BTW, you can go online and build an AR at
    Palmetto State Armory and build an AR for ~ 4-500 bucks.... AND
    even better get it chambered in 9MM .... I'd have all my self
    defense guns chambered in 9MM .... I would buy boxes and boxes
    and boxes of ammunition... Anyway... that's what I would do...

    An AR chambered in 9mm?

    Ummmmmm..... no thanks.

    Pistol caliber carbines are pretty hot in Steel Challenge, 3-gun, USPSA and
    now there's a PPC class in IDPA. The receivers are now made to accept Glock mags, which means you have a choice from 17 round to 33 round, and even up to the 50+ round drums. The Sig MPX and the modern CZ Skorpion are perfect examples of other PPC's. In the past a special magazine adapter was need to feed Uzi or other subgun mags into an AR lower. The 9mm operates on blowback instead of direct impingement.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Moondog on Sat Sep 12 20:04:00 2020
    Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I had to go back and re-read .... your original question is on
    lever... and cowboy look... If it's a self defense gun... semi
    auto all the way. BTW, you can go online and build an AR at
    Palmetto State Armory and build an AR for ~ 4-500 bucks.... AND
    even better get it chambered in 9MM .... I'd have all my self
    defense guns chambered in 9MM .... I would buy boxes and boxes
    and boxes of ammunition... Anyway... that's what I would do...

    An AR chambered in 9mm?
    Ummmmmm..... no thanks.

    Pistol caliber carbines are pretty hot in Steel Challenge, 3-gun,
    USPSA and now there's a PPC class in IDPA. The receivers are now
    made to accept Glock mags, which means you have a choice from 17
    round to 33 round, and even up to the 50+ round drums. The Sig
    MPX and the modern CZ Skorpion are perfect examples of other
    PPC's. In the past a special magazine adapter was need to feed
    Uzi or other subgun mags into an AR lower. The 9mm operates on
    blowback instead of direct impingement.

    That may all be true.

    The OP was talking about a "self-defense" AR.

    Makes no sense to have an AR for that purpose chambered in 9mm.



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  • From Underminer@VERT/UNDRMINE to Gamgee on Sun Sep 13 03:37:28 2020
    Re: Re: Lever
    By: Gamgee to Moondog on Sat Sep 12 2020 08:04 pm

    That may all be true.
    The OP was talking about a "self-defense" AR.
    Makes no sense to have an AR for that purpose chambered in 9mm.

    That depends; I can certainly see an argument for it's viability. Most self defense situations are relatively close in, so you don't need the extra range of an intermediate round like the 223/556, and 9mm will drastically reduce the risk of overpenetration, enlarge the wound cavity, deliver a heavier round, and reduce the complexity of your ammunition situation if you're running other 9mm firearms.

    9mm is also cheaper to shoot in most cases, so you're more likely to train with your actual self defence gun.

    Certainly not the best choice for everyone or for all SD situations, but there's certainly a niche where it makes sense.
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  • From IB Joe@VERT/JOESBBS to Gamgee on Sun Sep 13 07:44:00 2020
    On 12 Sep 2020, Gamgee said the following...

    The OP was talking about a "self-defense" AR.

    Makes no sense to have an AR for that purpose chambered in 9mm.


    Are you sure...

    Most people are more accurate with a long gun over a pistol. Never mind accuracy, most people just find long guns easier to handle.

    Most,all, defensive shooting are done withing a few feet.. or at most yards aways from you. If you are claiming "self defense" and you are shooting someone at long ranges... you might be the criminal.

    The problem with using high powered rounds, in any situation never mind a
    self defense situation, is that you own the bullet after it leaves the gun.
    If it travels through the perpetrator and into someone else ... its all on you... That incidental victim is all on you... and they could be a a family member.

    When I carry, and I carried all the time... while in Florida ... Not today because I'm in the Socialistic Republic of Canada... I used a 9mm with a
    R,I.P. round. I chose R.I.P rounds for my daily carry gun because they fragment upon impact... and those fragments taking their own trajectories.

    My daily carry gun, 2 mags plus one in the chamber totaled 35 rounds. Enough to "STOP", or repel, any threat.

    I argue that you should have most, if not all, your self defense firearms chambered in the same caliber. When shit actually hits the fan during a
    Zombie Apocalypse, and we're almost there now, you'll be happy to have more than on firearm to use to repel said zombies from eating your family.

    Moreover, I'm cheap AF and 9mm rounds can be bought in bulk for pennies per round... I've paid from .15 to .17 cents per round... Obviously, my R.I.P. rounds were more.

    There is a reason 9mm is the most popular round... All hail 9mm, you are righteous and awesome in your ballistics.

    As it stands.... the best self defense round is 9mm. If you cannot repel a threat with that round... your penis is small and you're trying to compensate with that with the use of a higher caliber.

    Just saying...

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to IB Joe on Sun Sep 13 12:31:00 2020
    IB Joe wrote to Gamgee <=-

    The OP was talking about a "self-defense" AR.

    Makes no sense to have an AR for that purpose chambered in 9mm.

    Are you sure...

    Yep, I am.

    <Remaining drivel snipped>

    I won't try to have a conversation with somebody who is this
    clueless. Buh-bye.



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to IB JOE on Sun Sep 13 18:28:00 2020
    Most people are more accurate with a long gun over a pistol. Never mind accuracy, most people just find long guns easier to handle.

    +1


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