• Young People

    From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Thu Apr 20 18:47:00 2023
    I was reading an article just today that implies that younger people are not as likely to be working, or looking for work, at all, so there is that.

    How do they expect to pay their bills & things without an income?

    Live with their parents I guess.

    It also talked about how a lower percentage of young people know how to
    drive.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Thu Apr 20 18:48:00 2023
    How do they expect to pay their bills & things without an income?

    Parents basement. Minimum wage job. Quite handy, I suppose, as long as
    you don't want a relationship, kids or medical issues requiring
    insurance.

    That was something else that was mentioned... a lot of them (the guys
    anyway) claim not to be having sex and believing that online porn is an acceptable substitute. So no relationships or kids.

    These were Gen Z people they had surveyed.


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  • From Phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Dumas Walker on Fri Apr 21 07:54:53 2023
    Re: Young People
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Thu Apr 20 2023 06:47 pm

    everyone's gotta work.

    I think that and you think that, but apparently younger people don't necessarily.

    When I was a kid, rock star was the profession of choice to shoot for. Actor or film/tv star was obviously more out of reach... but you could definitely see yourself not having to work and doing the music thing.

    Today, youtube star seems to be the current dream. Anyone can make youtube videos. Seems more easily atainable than any of the previous things, so makes sense that a lot more young people are attracted to it.

    We all just want to slack and have things done for us :)

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dumas Walker on Fri Apr 21 06:54:00 2023
    Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    That was something else that was mentioned... a lot of them (the guys anyway) claim not to be having sex and believing that online porn is an acceptable substitute. So no relationships or kids.

    It's a chilling new world - I read in a survey of 18-25 men that some
    number like 18% said they didn't have *any* friends. The replacement of real-world experiences with online social media does exact a price.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dumas Walker on Fri Apr 21 07:33:00 2023
    Dumas Walker wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-

    It also talked about how a lower percentage of young people know how to drive.

    My son and his friends were driven everywhere and didn't have any
    inclination to learn how to drive themselves. When I was growing up, it
    was by foot, bike or bus that I got around, and I got my license the day
    I turned 16.

    He graduated high school and was accepted to a school 45 minutes away by
    car. It took lots of goading to get him out and practicing to drive, and
    us reminding him that it was a 3 1/2 hour round trip by bus that cost
    more than gas would.

    I know of other people who've graduated *college* and still don't drive,
    and another who's unwilling to drive but licensed.

    To teenaged me, a car was a haven. I could go where I wanted to go,
    listen to music (I had that huge box of cassettes in my car) and not get
    rained on in the winter time. To this day, I still love driving in the
    rain for that very reason - I'm dry...



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 21 09:38:34 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Fri Apr 21 2023 07:33 am

    My son and his friends were driven everywhere and didn't have any inclination to learn how to drive themselves. When I was growing up, it was by foot, bike or bus that I got around, and I got my license the day
    I turned 16.

    He graduated high school and was accepted to a school 45 minutes away by car. It took lots of goading to get him out and practicing to drive, and us reminding him that it was a 3 1/2 hour round trip by bus that cost
    more than gas would.

    I've known some people these days who aren't interested in driving. I always imagined I'd need to learn to drive, though I didn't get my driver's license until I was almost 22 (and in college at the time). I was lucky that my college at the time was about a 45-minute bus ride away, our house was along one of the streets where that bus went, and it was just one bus from our house to my college and back. I got my driver's license and a car when I was attending that college, so I started driving to college instead of taking the bus. Then I realized that the first week or 2 of a new semester, parking was a bit of a hassle at college, and I missed being able to just get off the bus and not have to spend time finding a parking space..

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Phigan on Fri Apr 21 10:59:51 2023
    Re: Young People
    By: Phigan to Dumas Walker on Fri Apr 21 2023 07:54 am

    When I was a kid, rock star was the profession of choice to shoot for. Actor or film/tv star was obviously more out of reach... but you could definitely see yourself not having to work and doing the music thing.


    Place kicker.

    I wanted my son to become an (American) football place kicker.

    I figure that if you can manage stressful situations and spend an hour or so a day 3-5x/week kicking field goals in high school, you could get to be on the high school football team with all the benefits that go along with a position of stature in the high school social blender, get scouted, get a scholarship to a university with an athetics program, graduate with a degree and no student debt, and get a job in the NFL that pays 6 figures while requiring 4-5 months of actual time, a low probability of injury, and retire in 5-10 years as a retired athlete and take on a "real" job while milking celebrity for all its worth.

    Not a bad turn for a couple of hours a week in high school.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Fri Apr 21 11:04:59 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 21 2023 09:38 am

    I've known some people these days who aren't interested in driving. I always imagined I'd need to learn to drive, though I didn't get my driver's license until I was almost 22 (and in college at the time). I was lucky that my college at the time was about a 45-minute bus ride away, our house was along one of the streets where that bus went, and it was just one bus from our house to my college and back. I got my driver's license and a car when I was attending that college, so I started driving to college instead of taking the bus. Then I realized that the first week or 2 of a new semester, parking was a bit of a hassle at college, and I missed being able to just get off the bus and not have to spend time finding a parking space..

    Yeah, I drove in college, and in retrospect I would have been better served by taking the bus. Parking when I lived on-campus was expensive, and frought with parking tickets. San Francisco has an amazing 24/7 transit system, and I could have gone anywhere in the city.

    Once I moved out of the dorms, I moved into a house along the ocean. A bus line ran a block away from my house and dropped off in front of the school. It took me longer to find street parking than it took for the bus to get from my house to the bus stop in front of school.

    But, as I'd mentioned, I loved my cars.

    The car in question was a 1977 VW Rabbit Diesel. Great college car. No maintenance except tires, brakes and oil changes. 50+ MPG. Diesel was cheap back then, cheaper than unleaded.

    That car became a road-trip vessel. The odometer broke at 150,000, I'd estimate I got 200,000 miles on it before I sold it and bought another Rabbit Diesel from a friend.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 21 14:10:00 2023
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    It also talked about how a lower percentage of young people know how to drive.

    My son and his friends were driven everywhere and didn't have any inclination to learn how to drive themselves. When I was growing
    up, it was by foot, bike or bus that I got around, and I got my
    license the day I turned 16.

    So did I. I can still remember the anticipation/excitement of that day.
    I did it on a stick-shift car, and had to parallel-park, and nailed it.

    I know of other people who've graduated *college* and still don't
    drive, and another who's unwilling to drive but licensed.

    I seriously cannot even *imagine* that mindset.

    To teenaged me, a car was a haven. I could go where I wanted to
    go, listen to music (I had that huge box of cassettes in my car)
    and not get rained on in the winter time. To this day, I still
    love driving in the rain for that very reason - I'm dry...

    Same. The car was *freedom* to me. A way to get out and do things, a
    way to spend some "quality" time with the girlfriend, or a bunch of
    buddies. A way to *get* somewhere. Simply can't imagine not being able
    to drive as a teenager / highschool student.



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Fri Apr 21 14:13:00 2023
    Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    My son and his friends were driven everywhere and didn't have any inclination to learn how to drive themselves. When I was growing up, it was by foot, bike or bus that I got around, and I got my license the day
    I turned 16.

    I've known some people these days who aren't interested in
    driving. I always imagined I'd need to learn to drive, though I
    didn't get my driver's license until I was almost 22 (and in
    college at the time). I was lucky that my college at the time
    was about a 45-minute bus ride away, our house was along one of
    the streets where that bus went, and it was just one bus from our
    house to my college and back. I got my driver's license and a
    car when I was attending that college, so I started driving to
    college instead of taking the bus. Then I realized that the
    first week or 2 of a new semester, parking was a bit of a hassle
    at college, and I missed being able to just get off the bus and
    not have to spend time finding a parking space..

    I'm amazed at that. Flabbergasted, actually. So different from my
    young days... How would you get to the Friday night H.S. football game,
    or the after-party? How would you take a date/girlfriend out on a
    date??? So many "how"'s..... ;-)



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Fri Apr 21 14:52:00 2023
    That was something else that was mentioned... a lot of them (the guys anyway) claim not to be having sex and believing that online porn is an acceptable substitute. So no relationships or kids.

    It's a chilling new world - I read in a survey of 18-25 men that some
    number like 18% said they didn't have *any* friends. The replacement of real-world experiences with online social media does exact a price.

    That is sad, and might also explain some things.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Fri Apr 21 14:53:00 2023
    To teenaged me, a car was a haven. I could go where I wanted to go,
    listen to music (I had that huge box of cassettes in my car) and not get rained on in the winter time. To this day, I still love driving in the
    rain for that very reason - I'm dry...

    I don't think they cherrish personal freedom like we did/do. For me, being able to drive as a step in that direction.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ALL on Fri Apr 21 15:03:00 2023
    Here is the article I was talking about.

    https://www.thefp.com/p/shut-up-and-drive


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  • From Diamond Dave@VERT/DMINE to Gamgee on Fri Apr 21 18:00:40 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Fri Apr 21 2023 02:13 pm

    I'm amazed at that. Flabbergasted, actually. So different from my
    young days... How would you get to the Friday night H.S. football game,
    or the after-party? How would you take a date/girlfriend out on a
    date??? So many "how"'s..... ;-)

    I'm with you. I got my license right after I turned 16. It was part of my freedowm from my parents. Also they sort of made me because I was involved in after school events and basically it was "drive yourself". :)

    But these days.. kids are so different. They interact online. They don't interact in person. They're not interested in dating, going out to being with freinds, etc. because they can do it from the comfort of their phones at home. Yes, at home. The pandemic strengthened this, but it started before that. The smartphone and the Internet changed how people socialize. Between Facebook, twitter, Instagram, Tik Tok, etc. etc., people socialize so much diferent than Gen X ever did.

    Welcome to the 2020s. :)

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 21 15:20:08 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Fri Apr 21 2023 11:04 am

    The car in question was a 1977 VW Rabbit Diesel. Great college car. No maintenance except tires, brakes and oil changes. 50+ MPG. Diesel was cheap back then, cheaper than unleaded.

    That car became a road-trip vessel. The odometer broke at 150,000, I'd estimate I got 200,000 miles on it before I sold it and bought another Rabbit Diesel from a friend.

    I like those 80s Volkswagens.. The original Rabbit and its successor, the MK2 Golf and its GTI version, I really liked those (the Rabbit in the US was known as the Golf in other countries, and VW decided to use the Golf name in the US starting with the next version).

    The original Scirocco (and the MK2 version in the 80s) was another I liked. And these days, I think it would also be interesting to drive an 80s VW Quantum (which I think was renamed the Passat in later versions).

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Fri Apr 21 15:22:37 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Fri Apr 21 2023 02:13 pm

    driving. I always imagined I'd need to learn to drive, though I
    didn't get my driver's license until I was almost 22 (and in

    I'm amazed at that. Flabbergasted, actually. So different from my
    young days... How would you get to the Friday night H.S. football game, or the after-party? How would you take a date/girlfriend out on a
    date??? So many "how"'s..... ;-)

    1. I lived about a block from my high school, so I could walk there
    2. I wasn't interested in high school football games though, so I never went to those
    3. Yeah, that was something I wondered too. But we have a fairly good public transit system - I didn't think I really "needed" a car at the time.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Fri Apr 21 15:23:42 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Gamgee to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 21 2023 02:10 pm

    Same. The car was *freedom* to me. A way to get out and do things, a
    way to spend some "quality" time with the girlfriend, or a bunch of buddies. A way to *get* somewhere. Simply can't imagine not being able
    to drive as a teenager / highschool student.

    If you live in an area that doesn't have any public transportation system, I can understand that.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR on Fri Apr 21 15:33:39 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Fri Apr 21 2023 03:22 pm

    driving. I always imagined I'd need to learn to drive, though I
    didn't get my driver's license until I was almost 22 (and in

    I'm amazed at that. Flabbergasted, actually. So different from my
    young days... How would you get to the Friday night H.S. football
    game, or the after-party? How would you take a date/girlfriend out
    on a date??? So many "how"'s..... ;-)

    1. I lived about a block from my high school, so I could walk there
    2. I wasn't interested in high school football games though, so I never went to those
    3. Yeah, that was something I wondered too. But we have a fairly good public transit system - I didn't think I really "needed" a car at the time.


    I was also going to add that I didn't date in high school, but I imagine there would probably be at least one person on Dove-Net who'd choose that for a verbal attack of some sort.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Fri Apr 21 15:44:17 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Fri Apr 21 2023 03:22 pm

    young days... How would you get to the Friday night H.S. football

    I had a bicycle at the time too. A car isn't the only form of transportation you can use.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Fri Apr 21 16:36:17 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Fri Apr 21 2023 02:53 pm

    I don't think they cherrish personal freedom like we did/do. For me, being able to drive as a step in that direction.

    I notice people pushing public transportation more often these days than I used to. Perhaps there are more people these days who'd rather just take public transportation than own their own car. And depending on how much you need to go places around town, using public transportation might actually be less expensive overall than owning a car.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Diamond Dave on Fri Apr 21 16:39:25 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Diamond Dave to Gamgee on Fri Apr 21 2023 06:00 pm

    I'm with you. I got my license right after I turned 16. It was part of my freedowm from my parents. Also they sort of made me because I was involved in after school events and basically it was "drive yourself". :)

    So did your parents provide you with a car? Or did they let you drive their car(s)? Between school and after-school events, I'd imagine you might nat have had much time to work at a job to buy your own car.. It probably would have been hard to afford a car at that age.

    A car isn't the only form of transportation though. In high school I had a bicycle I'd use to get around if/when needed, or I'd get a ride from other people.

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Diamond Dave on Fri Apr 21 18:39:00 2023
    Diamond Dave wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I'm amazed at that. Flabbergasted, actually. So different from my
    young days... How would you get to the Friday night H.S. football game,
    or the after-party? How would you take a date/girlfriend out on a
    date??? So many "how"'s..... ;-)

    I'm with you. I got my license right after I turned 16. It was
    part of my freedowm from my parents. Also they sort of made me
    because I was involved in after school events and basically it
    was "drive yourself". :)

    Haha, same!

    But these days.. kids are so different. They interact online.
    They don't interact in person. They're not interested in dating,
    going out to being with freinds, etc. because they can do it from
    the comfort of their phones at home. Yes, at home. The pandemic strengthened this, but it started before that. The smartphone and
    the Internet changed how people socialize. Between Facebook,
    twitter, Instagram, Tik Tok, etc. etc., people socialize so much
    diferent than Gen X ever did.

    Yes, I understand that, although perhaps not to the extent that it
    really is. Makes me kinda sad, to be honest.

    Welcome to the 2020s. :)

    Indeed. I have to say I'm glad I grew up when I did. ;-)



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Fri Apr 21 18:43:00 2023
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    driving. I always imagined I'd need to learn to drive, though I
    didn't get my driver's license until I was almost 22 (and in

    I'm amazed at that. Flabbergasted, actually. So different from my
    young days... How would you get to the Friday night H.S. football game,
    or the after-party? How would you take a date/girlfriend out on a
    date??? So many "how"'s..... ;-)

    1. I lived about a block from my high school, so I could walk
    there 2. I wasn't interested in high school football games
    though, so I never went to those 3. Yeah, that was something I
    wondered too. But we have a fairly good public transit system -
    I didn't think I really "needed" a car at the time.

    I understand that, I guess. Just a VERY different environment than what
    I grew up in. No public transportation at all, but.... even in a place
    that did have public transportation, I just can't picture using that.
    Sure, it will get you to public places, but what if you wanted to go out
    on some back roads and go hiking, or... make out with your girlfriend,
    or... get to the keg party up at the abandoned gravel pit in the woods,
    or.... :-)



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Fri Apr 21 18:45:00 2023
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Same. The car was *freedom* to me. A way to get out and do things, a
    way to spend some "quality" time with the girlfriend, or a bunch of buddies. A way to *get* somewhere. Simply can't imagine not being able
    to drive as a teenager / highschool student.

    If you live in an area that doesn't have any public
    transportation system, I can understand that.

    Yes, I grew up in what I would call the "country suburbs". Not a farm
    or anything, but there were farms not far away. Absolutely no public transportation, not even a bus. Bicycles were fine until high school,
    but after that a car was pretty much a necessity.



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Fri Apr 21 18:47:00 2023
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    young days... How would you get to the Friday night H.S. football

    I had a bicycle at the time too. A car isn't the only form of transportation you can use.

    True, but it's the only one you can use to get to the keg party in the
    woods on Friday night. ;-)



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Gamgee on Fri Apr 21 22:59:23 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Gamgee to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 21 2023 02:10 pm

    So did I. I can still remember the anticipation/excitement of that day.
    I did it on a stick-shift car, and had to parallel-park, and nailed it.

    The good news was that I took the driver's test in an automatic. The bad news was that it was a Buick Electra 225, almost 19 feet of car.

    Parallel parking was a bear, I'm sure I got a pass from the instructor.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Fri Apr 21 23:07:28 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 21 2023 03:20 pm


    The original Scirocco (and the MK2 version in the 80s) was another I liked. And these days, I think it would also be interesting to drive an 80s VW Quantum (which I think was renamed the Passat in later versions).

    Loved the Scirocco, hated the lack of headroom. The Mk1 is such a beautiful design...
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Phigan on Sat Apr 22 06:08:47 2023
    Re: Young People
    By: Phigan to Dumas Walker on Fri Apr 21 2023 07:54 am

    Today, youtube star seems to be the current dream. Anyone can make youtube v >

    Anybody can make videos and stream himself playing videogames, but making moneyout of it is not trivial. You may as well play lottery.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Apr 22 06:15:01 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Fri Apr 21 2023 06:54 am

    It's a chilling new world - I read in a survey of 18-25 men that some
    number like 18% said they didn't have *any* friends. The replacement of real-world experiences with online social media does exact a price.


    I don't think it is that people is substituting meatspace friends with online ones.

    I think I have mentioned it ten times already, but people has become incrediblyselfish as of late so it is hard to find people you can depend on. Most people
    nowadays want to be your friend only if they can get something for free out of you, but they never want to give anything back. The notion that relationships are something that needs effort to maintain is gone. If you pay the drinks one day you can't count on the others paying for the next round tomorrow. If you inviste somebody to your wedding you cannot count on him inviting you to his wedding.

    End result is you end up having a social circle consisting in people you don't invest emotionally in because you won't be getting much back either. I know a number of people and I have fun with a number of people, but if I had to tell how many actual friends I have, the number would be depressing.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Diamond Dave on Sat Apr 22 06:22:40 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Diamond Dave to Gamgee on Fri Apr 21 2023 06:00 pm

    But these days.. kids are so different. They interact online. They don't interact in person. They're not interested in dating, going out to being wit > freinds, etc. because they can do it from the comfort of their phones at hom > Yes, at home. The pandemic strengthened this, but it started before that. Th > smartphone and the Internet changed how people socialize. Between Facebook,
    twitter, Instagram, Tik Tok, etc. etc., people socialize so much diferent th > Gen X ever did.


    I think people is much interested in going out and dating. It is just that relationships have become shallow.

    I know a number of people who is actively getting dates via dating applications. They meet a lot of gals and fuck like there is no tomorrow, but then they build nothing from it. It is something similar with friendships. Everybody is friends when it is time to get drunk at random parties but people rather gets together and build anything together. When I was younger, people were more likely to try and start a music band, or a game club, or get to organize things together. Now you throw any such idea in and nobody listnes because nobody wants to get emotionally invested in group activities.


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  • From Cuprum@VERT/RETACE to Gamgee on Sat Apr 22 09:02:02 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Fri Apr 21 2023 18:47:00

    As a "young person" by the definition of this thread, I feel attacked :P

    re cars and public transport: There are indeed a lot of places and jobs in this world where public transport is a poor fit. However, if you're mostly doing things in urban areas, wrestling with parking every day and maintenance headaches now and then might not be worth the very few times you actually go to a ranch somewhere?

    Personally, I think that the world is changing too fast to make any concrete long-term plans; they'll all be inapplicable by the time they are to be followed. The best strategy for now is to keep the paths forward as open as possible.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/THEGATEB to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Apr 22 08:45:00 2023
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    It's a chilling new world - I read in a survey of 18-25 men that some number like 18% said they didn't have *any* friends. The replacement of real-world experiences with online social media does exact a price.

    With the number of geeks/nerds growing (since much of the autistic spectrum is in demand), 18% isn't surprising.


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Apr 22 07:10:00 2023
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-

    So did I. I can still remember the anticipation/excitement of that day.
    I did it on a stick-shift car, and had to parallel-park, and nailed it.

    The good news was that I took the driver's test in an automatic.
    The bad news was that it was a Buick Electra 225, almost 19 feet
    of car.

    Hah! That's more like a boat! :-)

    Parallel parking was a bear, I'm sure I got a pass from the
    instructor.

    It seems that it's becoming a lost art; I think maybe they don't even
    require it on a driving test any more, at least in some states.



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Nightfox on Sat Apr 22 07:21:00 2023
    Nightfox wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    I don't think they cherrish personal freedom like we did/do. For me, being able to drive as a step in that direction.

    I notice people pushing public transportation more often these days
    than I used to. Perhaps there are more people these days who'd rather just take public transportation than own their own car. And depending
    on how much you need to go places around town, using public
    transportation might actually be less expensive overall than owning a
    car.

    For areas that don't have (good) public transportation, there is always
    ride sharing.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Nightfox on Sat Apr 22 07:32:00 2023
    Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I've known some people these days who aren't interested in driving. I always imagined I'd need to learn to drive, though I didn't get my driver's license until I was almost 22 (and in college at the time). I was lucky that my college at the time was about a 45-minute bus ride
    away, our house was along one of the streets where that bus went, and
    it was just one bus from our house to my college and back. I got my driver's license and a car when I was attending that college, so I
    started driving to college instead of taking the bus. Then I realized that the first week or 2 of a new semester, parking was a bit of a
    hassle at college, and I missed being able to just get off the bus and
    not have to spend time finding a parking space..

    If I had that bus situation, college might have been easier. The
    difference for me was that I could catch a bus, then switch busses twice,
    and not have any guarantee I would make the connections in time.

    The college I attended started out with some on-campus parking, but they
    kept moving it out onto the perimeter of the campus. Soon, the more
    expensive parking was where the cheap parking used to be, and they
    eventually got rid of the cheap parking. It had, and still has, a large commuter population but now I am not even sure that commuter parking is
    even in the same neighborhood as the school. I think it is all far enough
    away now that you have to catch a shuttle bus to get to campus... or walk across active railroads (2) or the interstate to get there.

    I also worked on campus, and sometimes later than my bus route would have
    run.



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Nightfox on Sat Apr 22 07:36:00 2023
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR <=-

    I was also going to add that I didn't date in high school, but I
    imagine there would probably be at least one person on Dove-Net who'd choose that for a verbal attack of some sort.

    I wanted to. Part of my reason for wanting to drive (that, and my after school/summer jobs). Oddly, I didn't go on what I would call my first real date until graduation night with a girl I'd know for a couple of years.



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Gamgee on Sat Apr 22 07:39:00 2023
    Gamgee wrote to Diamond Dave <=-

    They don't interact in person. They're not interested in dating,
    going out to being with freinds, etc. because they can do it from
    the comfort of their phones at home. Yes, at home. The pandemic strengthened this, but it started before that. The smartphone and
    the Internet changed how people socialize. Between Facebook,
    twitter, Instagram, Tik Tok, etc. etc., people socialize so much
    diferent than Gen X ever did.

    Makes me kinda sad, to be honest.

    I don't know about sad but it does make me wonder if that isn't part of the problem we have now with young people lashing out in increasingly violent
    ways. If most of your interaction with people is via social media, I am not sure you value life the same way.


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  • From Diamond Dave@VERT/DMINE to Nightfox on Sat Apr 22 13:22:30 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Nightfox to Diamond Dave on Fri Apr 21 2023 04:39 pm

    I'm with you. I got my license right after I turned 16. It was part of
    my
    freedowm from my parents. Also they sort of made me because I was invol
    ved
    in after school events and basically it was "drive yourself". :)

    So did your parents provide you with a car? Or did they let you drive their
    car(s)? Between school and after-schoo
    car at that age.

    They bought a new car and I used their old one. They still owned it, but I had to get a job and pay for the insurance and gas.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Apr 22 14:44:11 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Fri Apr 21 2023 11:07 pm

    Loved the Scirocco, hated the lack of headroom. The Mk1 is such a beautiful design...

    I liked the Mk2 as well. And I really liked the Corrado that came after it.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Cuprum on Sat Apr 22 18:02:00 2023
    Cuprum wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Fri Apr 21 2023 18:47:00

    As a "young person" by the definition of this thread, I feel
    attacked :P

    If you had bothered to quote any of the message that you're replying to,
    I might know why. But I don't.

    re cars and public transport: There are indeed a lot of places
    and jobs in this world where public transport is a poor fit.
    However, if you're mostly doing things in urban areas, wrestling
    with parking every day and maintenance headaches now and then
    might not be worth the very few times you actually go to a ranch somewhere?

    Understood, and I agree. I guess I just have a hard time understanding
    why anyone would choose to do such a thing. :-)

    Personally, I think that the world is changing too fast to make
    any concrete long-term plans; they'll all be inapplicable by the
    time they are to be followed. The best strategy for now is to
    keep the paths forward as open as possible.

    I disagree. I believe you can both make long-term plans (and are not
    smart if you don't), and keep the path forward as open as possible. I'd
    go so far as to say that should be the norm for everyone; and it's
    nothing new, either.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Dumas Walker on Sat Apr 22 18:03:00 2023
    Dumas Walker wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Gamgee wrote to Diamond Dave <=-

    They don't interact in person. They're not interested in dating,
    going out to being with freinds, etc. because they can do it from
    the comfort of their phones at home. Yes, at home. The pandemic strengthened this, but it started before that. The smartphone and
    the Internet changed how people socialize. Between Facebook,
    twitter, Instagram, Tik Tok, etc. etc., people socialize so much
    diferent than Gen X ever did.

    Makes me kinda sad, to be honest.

    I don't know about sad but it does make me wonder if that isn't
    part of the problem we have now with young people lashing out in increasingly violent ways. If most of your interaction with
    people is via social media, I am not sure you value life the same
    way.

    Very good point, and I absolutely think that is true.



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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Dumas Walker on Sun Apr 23 04:35:51 2023
    Re: Young People
    By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Thu Apr 20 2023 06:48 pm

    That was something else that was mentioned... a lot of them (the guys anyway) claim not to be having sex and believing that online porn is an acceptable substitute. So no relationships or kids.


    This reminds me of some conversation I was having with a guy.

    See, a lot of people has a narrow set of hobbies and interests. Imagine a guy whose hobby is tweaking small engines and electronics. The people he finds interesting are the sort of guys he can talk about small engines and electronics. Guess what: the subsets of people labeled as "Women" and "Small engine geeks" don't overlap.

    Last time I talked to this guy about relationships, his opinion was that women were boring because there is nothing interesting to talk about with them. "Theyare good to look at, but you can get that online".

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Sun Apr 23 08:48:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Fri Apr 21 2023 02:53 pm

    To teenaged me, a car was a haven. I could go where I wanted to go,
    listen to music (I had that huge box of cassettes in my car) and not get rained on in the winter time. To this day, I still love driving in the rain for that very reason - I'm dry...

    I don't think they cherrish personal freedom like we did/do. For me, being able to drive as a step in that direction.


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    which consolidated a single high school due to a large area but small populati on. The bus ride went all around the edge of the district, and I spent 45 minutes on the bus ride to and from school. My house was a half mile from
    two other school systems that were 10 minutes away.

    All my friends lived closer to the school, and a 10 speed bike was not
    enough. I couldn't afford a car until I was in college and had a solid job. Borrowing the parent's car or catching a ride was only convenient to a point.
    Down the road I had a friend with a car, but I had to arrange alternate means
    of travel if he promised a ride to a girl after the game or event.

    Getting my own car that i completely owned was liberating.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Sun Apr 23 09:00:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Fri Apr 21 2023 03:44 pm

    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Fri Apr 21 2023 03:22 pm

    young days... How would you get to the Friday night H.S. football

    I had a bicycle at the time too. A car isn't the only form of transportatio

    Nightfox


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Sun Apr 23 09:18:00 2023
    Arelor wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    See, a lot of people has a narrow set of hobbies and interests. Imagine
    a guy whose hobby is tweaking small engines and electronics. The people
    he finds interesting are the sort of guys he can talk about small
    engines and electronics. Guess what: the subsets of people labeled as "Women" and "Small engine geeks" don't overlap.

    Last time I talked to this guy about relationships, his opinion was
    that women were boring because there is nothing interesting to talk
    about with them. "Theyare good to look at, but you can get that
    online".

    I can sometimes relate to that. :) I don't find them so much boring as it
    is sometimes the other way round.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Sun Apr 23 09:20:00 2023
    Arelor wrote to Phigan <=-

    Today, youtube star seems to be the current dream. Anyone can make youtube v


    Anybody can make videos and stream himself playing videogames, but
    making moneyout of it is not trivial. You may as well play lottery.

    A lot of the poeple who can make them and think they can make a living
    don't realize that last bit.


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Sun Apr 23 10:24:00 2023
    Hello Arelor!

    I think I have mentioned it ten times already, but people
    has become incrediblyselfish as of late so it is hard to
    find people you can depend on. Most people nowadays want to
    be your friend only if they can get something for free out
    of you, but they never want to give anything back. The
    notion that relationships are something that needs effort
    to maintain is gone. If you pay the drinks one day you
    can't count on the others paying for the next round
    tomorrow. If you inviste somebody to your wedding you
    cannot count on him inviting you to his wedding.

    The key is to not worry about what you might get back. Just be
    kind, and altruistic, yet establish boundaries like not
    succuming to pleas for car rides if you happen to own a
    vehicle. Give, yet don't factor in reciprocation as a
    requirement.


    End result is you end up having a social circle consisting
    in people you don't invest emotionally in because you won't
    be getting much back either. I know a number of people and
    I have fun with a number of people, but if I had to tell
    how many actual friends I have, the number would be
    depressing.

    Ah.. the emotional investment.. that can be tricky. But, how
    many friends is a minimum? Don't worry about it. Just nurture
    the few that you have.


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Sun Apr 23 10:31:00 2023
    Hello Arelor!

    ..Everybody is friends when it is time to get drunk at
    random parties but people rather gets together and build
    anything together. When I was younger, people were more
    likely to try and start a music band, or a game club, or
    get to organize things together. Now you throw any such
    idea in and nobody listnes because nobody wants to get
    emotionally invested in group activities.

    From what I recall, you already have game groups going.
    Nurture the relationships in those. Don't worry about people
    you can't motivate.

    You mentiond a band.. so, do you play an instrument?

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Cuprum on Sun Apr 23 10:35:00 2023
    Hello Cuprum!

    ** On Saturday 22.04.23 - 09:02, Cuprum wrote to Gamgee:

    Personally, I think that the world is changing too fast to
    make any concrete long-term plans; they'll all be
    inapplicable by the time they are to be followed. The best
    strategy for now is to keep the paths forward as open as
    possible.

    Being a Renaissance Man or resourceful is never outdated.

    Maintain a healthy interest and curiosity in many things.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Moondog on Sun Apr 23 15:27:55 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sun Apr 23 2023 09:00 am

    I had a bicycle at the time too. A car isn't the only form of
    transportatio

    A 20 mile ride to or from school by bike takes forever in good weather. Pray it
    doesn't rain or in high winds.

    Schools normally have school busses to transport kids to/from school though..?

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Sun Apr 23 15:30:24 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Gamgee to Cuprum on Sat Apr 22 2023 06:02 pm

    re cars and public transport: There are indeed a lot of places
    and jobs in this world where public transport is a poor fit.
    However, if you're mostly doing things in urban areas, wrestling
    with parking every day and maintenance headaches now and then
    might not be worth the very few times you actually go to a ranch
    somewhere?

    Understood, and I agree. I guess I just have a hard time understanding
    why anyone would choose to do such a thing. :-)

    If you can go where you need to go on public transit, you can avoid the costs of owning a car (such as car insurance and maintenance, etc.). Some people might prefer that.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Sun Apr 23 15:36:10 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Apr 23 2023 09:27 am

    To make that kind of dough on the internet, you have to be a female and at least attractive enough to get a lot of guys watching you. There are plenty that do it. She may have an onlyfans site where she shows off more, too.

    It seems to me people who make money online aren't all doing porn or similar. For instance, Linus Tech Tips puts out a lot of YouTube videos, and he has sponsors that I'm sure he's getting a lot of money from. I think the guy who does LGR (Lazy Game Reviews) also makes revenue similarly. There's also Doug DeMuro, who does his car reviews (though he also owns the site Cars and Bids, which probably brings him some good revenue).

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Dumas Walker on Sun Apr 23 17:41:41 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Apr 23 2023 09:27 am

    somehow she makes 100k a month and 18mil plus a year. apprently in dec she got 70k in cash and a new iphone and a taser and a nubmer for prepaid bodyguard service because she had problems with her fiance.

    To make that kind of dough on the internet, you have to be a female and at least attractive enough to get a lot of guys watching you. There are
    plenty that do it. She may have an onlyfans site where she shows off more, too.

    There are probably plenty of younger guys out there who find it close
    enough to porn and are willing to send her money, or gifts.


    Spanish #1 streamer is a dude.

    Guys streaming things that people are willing to watch have a chance at beatingwomen whose main talent is being sexy. A lot of these female streamers bank on
    being hot but have no ability to produce anything you would be willing to
    watch if you are immune to the sexy factor. Hot gals have a total advantage, though.

    Either way, the core issue is that the value of publishing a stream is only in what the streaming can actually get sold, and for the most part it is close to nil.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Ogg on Sun Apr 23 17:45:41 2023
    Re: Young People
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Sun Apr 23 2023 10:24 am

    The key is to not worry about what you might get back. Just be
    kind, and altruistic, yet establish boundaries like not
    succuming to pleas for car rides if you happen to own a
    vehicle. Give, yet don't factor in reciprocation as a
    requirement.


    That only takes you so far. If you are helping somebody out everytime he needs but he fails to help you out the two times you really need the help, that relationship just cannot last because the other party just does not give a fuckbout you.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Ogg on Sun Apr 23 17:51:16 2023
    Re: Young People
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Sun Apr 23 2023 10:31 am

    From what I recall, you already have game groups going.
    Nurture the relationships in those. Don't worry about people
    you can't motivate.

    You mentiond a band.. so, do you play an instrument?

    If you gently knock a horse nose, it sounds like a drum. I suppose that counts. "Don't worry about people you can't motivate" is exactly what everybody is doing and exactly the reason why social circles are shrinking so sharply. Of course you don't waste time with people you cant do anything interesting with. That means the number of people worth spending time with is so tiny that you can count it with the fingers of a horse (horses have 4 fingers; one per leg).

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Sun Apr 23 20:31:00 2023
    Nightfox wrote to Moondog <=-

    A 20 mile ride to or from school by bike takes forever in good weather. Pray it doesn't rain or in high winds.

    Schools normally have school busses to transport kids to/from
    school though..?

    Where I grew up, we rode school busses for elementary (grades 1-8)
    school. But for high school (9-12), there were no busses. It was on
    the student/parents to get the student to school.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Sun Apr 23 20:24:58 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Sun Apr 23 2023 08:31 pm

    Where I grew up, we rode school busses for elementary (grades 1-8) school. But for high school (9-12), there were no busses. It was on
    the student/parents to get the student to school.

    Seems odd to me that they wouldn't provide busses for high school.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Mon Apr 24 06:55:00 2023
    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I think I have mentioned it ten times already, but people has become incrediblyselfish as of late so it is hard to find people you can
    depend on.

    That is true. My ex- had a friend who was notorious for FOMO - she'd
    semi-commit to doing things with us, but you could tell if something
    better came along she'd jump at the chance.

    back. The notion that relationships are something that needs effort to maintain is gone. If you pay the drinks one day you can't count on the others paying for the next round tomorrow.

    That's a shame. We have friends who we've been trusting to pick up the
    tab when it's their turn for over 30 years now. Trust and having a
    person who's earned it makes life that much easier.

    People and money are weird, though. I look at my Venmo history and see
    married people I know Venmo-ing money to pay back their spouses. It's
    all the same money, folks!






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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Gamgee on Mon Apr 24 06:56:00 2023
    Gamgee wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Parallel parking was a bear, I'm sure I got a pass from the
    instructor.

    It seems that it's becoming a lost art; I think maybe they don't even require it on a driving test any more, at least in some states.

    I do appreciate having a backup camera, but after spending 10+ years
    living in San Francisco without a garage, I got pretty good at it.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Mon Apr 24 08:33:00 2023
    Arelor wrote to Phigan <=-

    Anybody can make videos and stream himself playing videogames, but
    making moneyout of it is not trivial. You may as well play lottery.

    Who would watch videos of me scratching off a lottery ticket? :)



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dumas Walker on Mon Apr 24 08:38:00 2023
    Dumas Walker wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I don't know about sad but it does make me wonder if that isn't part of the problem we have now with young people lashing out in increasingly violent ways. If most of your interaction with people is via social media, I am not sure you value life the same way.

    One of the things that I loved about the old dial-up BBS scene was the
    locality of it. You could get into a month-long flame war, accuse your
    opponent of buggering goats, and then meet up over a couple of beers
    at one of the gettogethers, continue the conversation and act like humans.

    Your online persona wasn't who you were.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Diamond Dave on Mon Apr 24 08:39:00 2023
    Diamond Dave wrote to Nightfox <=-

    They bought a new car and I used their old one. They still owned it,
    but I had to get a job and pay for the insurance and gas.


    Same here. I sort of forced the issue by wrecking their car. I got the
    wreck.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Mon Apr 24 08:43:00 2023
    Arelor wrote to MRO <=-

    Coca Colas? That means a channel with a few thousand followers is worth two scores of Coca Colas. The value of streaming channels is so low as
    to be laughable.

    It's the value of the personal information of the watchers that counts.



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  • From Phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Apr 24 10:53:15 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Fri Apr 21 2023 07:33 am

    rained on in the winter time. To this day, I still love driving in the
    rain for that very reason - I'm dry...

    100% with you on this. Also, the jankier the car, the cooler it feels.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Mon Apr 24 09:49:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Dumas Walker to Arelor on Sun Apr 23 2023 09:18 am

    Arelor wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    See, a lot of people has a narrow set of hobbies and interests. Imagine a guy whose hobby is tweaking small engines and electronics. The people he finds interesting are the sort of guys he can talk about small engines and electronics. Guess what: the subsets of people labeled as "Women" and "Small engine geeks" don't overlap.

    Last time I talked to this guy about relationships, his opinion was that women were boring because there is nothing interesting to talk about with them. "Theyare good to look at, but you can get that online".

    I can sometimes relate to that. :) I don't find them so much boring as it is sometimes the other way round.


    ... Spelling is a sober man's game

    You're shopping in the wrong place for conversation/ relationship. As y'll have gleaned from reading, I'm a bit of a firearm enthusiast. I feell more comfortable at a shooting range or gun shop than a party. In the last 20
    years since concealed carry became "shall issue" in my state, there has been
    an influx of females taking shooting courses and range memberships. We had
    one member of the club who worked in a hospital, and he'd bring in nurses to training courses who want to learn self defense. Others got into shooting
    for self defense, then get interested in shooting sports and competition.

    A buddy of mine was into SCCA auto racing. There were women who raced cars
    as well. Being interested in one thing is the beginning. Being active with
    a hobby or discipline gives you exposure to other people.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Mon Apr 24 10:06:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Apr 23 2023 09:27 am

    MRO wrote to Arelor <=-

    well it's been going on for a while and apparently it's working. i have watched amouranth on twitch and i dont get it. she is sort of attractive and has big boobs. but you dont see it. it's not like watching porn. you just see her sit around and play videogames or go in a hot tub.

    somehow she makes 100k a month and 18mil plus a year. apprently in dec she got 70k in cash and a new iphone and a taser and a nubmer for prepaid bodyguard service because she had problems with her fiance.

    To make that kind of dough on the internet, you have to be a female and at least attractive enough to get a lot of guys watching you. There are
    plenty that do it. She may have an onlyfans site where she shows off more, too.

    There are probably plenty of younger guys out there who find it close
    enough to porn and are willing to send her money, or gifts.


    ... Tell me, is something eluding you, Sunshine?

    This reminds me of an Outdoor Channel series called "For love or likes."
    The contestants are "insta-famous" girls who get monetized for posting
    picutres of them selves in camoflage or in outdoor hunting-type settings.
    Some of these women have 30k followers! Anyways, the host bring s them out
    to a private hunting game farm and see who is the real thing by seeing who
    can harvest the most animals. Funny thing is some have close to none or zero hunting skills, and are posers. One contestant learned how to shoot a bow
    the week before in order to compete. The grand prize was coming back the
    next season as a co-host, and benefits were drawing attention to advertisers who hire "influencers" to help sell products.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Ogg on Mon Apr 24 10:26:00 2023
    Re: Young People
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Sun Apr 23 2023 10:24 am

    Hello Arelor!

    I think I have mentioned it ten times already, but people
    has become incrediblyselfish as of late so it is hard to
    find people you can depend on. Most people nowadays want to
    be your friend only if they can get something for free out
    of you, but they never want to give anything back. The
    notion that relationships are something that needs effort
    to maintain is gone. If you pay the drinks one day you
    can't count on the others paying for the next round
    tomorrow. If you inviste somebody to your wedding you
    cannot count on him inviting you to his wedding.

    The key is to not worry about what you might get back. Just be
    kind, and altruistic, yet establish boundaries like not
    succuming to pleas for car rides if you happen to own a
    vehicle. Give, yet don't factor in reciprocation as a
    requirement.


    End result is you end up having a social circle consisting
    in people you don't invest emotionally in because you won't
    be getting much back either. I know a number of people and
    I have fun with a number of people, but if I had to tell
    how many actual friends I have, the number would be
    depressing.

    Ah.. the emotional investment.. that can be tricky. But, how
    many friends is a minimum? Don't worry about it. Just nurture
    the few that you have.


    Relationships within a context are easy to acquire. Going outside that
    context is where true friends lie. If you go to bars and acquire "drinking buddies," that may be the only thing you have in common. Same appiles to
    work relationships. How many would you interact or find interesting outside the work place? I frequent a website with a discussion forum, and learned the re were several other members of that discussion forum in my area. By
    reading what others post, you can learn alot from these people. When we arrange a physical meetup, it doesn't seem like a bunch of strangers on a dis cussion forum. Most of these members I would have no qualms about hanging
    out with outside the context I know them from.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Mon Apr 24 10:33:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Sun Apr 23 2023 03:27 pm

    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sun Apr 23 2023 09:00 am

    I had a bicycle at the time too. A car isn't the only form of
    transportatio

    A 20 mile ride to or from school by bike takes forever in good weather. Pray it
    doesn't rain or in high winds.

    Schools normally have school busses to transport kids to/from school though.

    Nightfox

    During school hours, yes. If there's practice or a game or club event going on, you need an alternate form of transportation if it's not during school hours. Even when an activity is held after class is out of session, you'll need a ride home or someone to pick you up.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Mon Apr 24 10:44:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Sun Apr 23 2023 03:30 pm

    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Gamgee to Cuprum on Sat Apr 22 2023 06:02 pm

    re cars and public transport: There are indeed a lot of places
    and jobs in this world where public transport is a poor fit.
    However, if you're mostly doing things in urban areas, wrestling
    with parking every day and maintenance headaches now and then
    might not be worth the very few times you actually go to a ranch
    somewhere?

    Understood, and I agree. I guess I just have a hard time understanding why anyone would choose to do such a thing. :-)

    If you can go where you need to go on public transit, you can avoid the cost

    Nightfox

    The problem with public transportation is if it operates under a certain
    window of operation of has a limited schedule of operation on holidays. As a teenager a group of friends and I would thake the Chicago and South Shore railway into Chicago to go to the Museum of Science and Industry, then take a bus to go downtown to a restaurant or go up in the Sears Tower. On holidays the bus schedule and train schedules are different, and instead of being on
    the train by 6 o'clock, there was no 6 o'clock train and we had to wait at
    the train station until 10:30 pm when the next train arrived. Buses were
    also on a limited schedule, and taxi fare was ridiculous. The train terminal after sundown was not a place I wanted to hang out.



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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Mon Apr 24 10:53:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Sun Apr 23 2023 03:36 pm

    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Apr 23 2023 09:27 am

    To make that kind of dough on the internet, you have to be a female and least attractive enough to get a lot of guys watching you. There are plenty that do it. She may have an onlyfans site where she shows off mo too.

    It seems to me people who make money online aren't all doing porn or similar ews) also makes revenue similarly. There's also Doug DeMuro, who does his c

    Nightfox


    Linus has 100 employees and they put out 20+ videos a week in various media platforms. Due to youtube and other site's rules, you may not find out right away if a video is de-monetized because someone made a copyright claim or cont ent got flagged erroneously by their watchdog programs. A small timer like
    LGR does all his own research, filming and editing. Guys like that have to st art their day ready to work and little down time. Some are lucky to put out content each week at a regular time.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Digital Man on Mon Apr 24 11:03:00 2023
    Re: Young People
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Sun Apr 23 2023 06:13 pm

    Re: Young People
    By: MRO to Arelor on Sat Apr 22 2023 08:44 pm

    well it's been going on for a while and apparently it's working. i have watched amouranth on twitch and i dont get it. she is sort of attractive and has big boobs. but you dont see it. it's not like watching porn. you just see her sit around and play videogames or go in a hot tub.

    somehow she makes 100k a month and 18mil plus a year. apprently in dec sh got 70k in cash and a new iphone and a taser and a nubmer for prepaid bodyguard service because she had problems with her fiance.

    I'd never heard of her, so I looked her up. She's hot enough, but $18M a yea --
    digital man (rob)

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Apr 24 18:11:37 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Mon Apr 24 2023 08:43 am

    Coca Colas? That means a channel with a few thousand followers is worth > Ar> two scores of Coca Colas. The value of streaming channels is so low as
    to be laughable.

    It's the value of the personal information of the watchers that counts.

    The information of Internet citizens, when sold in bulk over legal channels, isnot THAT valuable.

    A pregnant's woman profile, which is said to be the most valuable to advertisers (because they go in a shopping spree for baby related products thatis very intense) used to be worth... two bucks?

    If you have 4 thousand pregnant women following your streaming channel, you arenot generating that much value in profiles.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Moondog on Mon Apr 24 18:14:35 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Moondog to Dumas Walker on Mon Apr 24 2023 09:49 am

    You're shopping in the wrong place for conversation/ relationship. As y'll have gleaned from reading, I'm a bit of a firearm enthusiast. I feell more

    The only woman I have seen at the shooting ranges of my province since I got mytarget shooting sporting card (years ago) is an old lady who happens to be
    married.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Arelor on Mon Apr 24 18:57:00 2023
    Arelor wrote to Moondog <=-

    You're shopping in the wrong place for conversation/ relationship. As y'll have gleaned from reading, I'm a bit of a firearm enthusiast. I feell more

    The only woman I have seen at the shooting ranges of my province
    since I got mytarget shooting sporting card (years ago) is an old
    lady who happens to be married.

    This likely is the result of the "gun thinking" difference between Spain
    and the USA. At my local range, on a Saturday afternoon, there are
    likely to be 30-40 people, and probably 40% of them are women.



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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Mon Apr 24 19:32:00 2023
    Hello Arelor!

    You mentiond a band.. so, do you play an instrument?

    If you gently knock a horse nose, it sounds like a drum. I suppose that counts.

    That's hilarous. I do believe I've played drums on a horse's
    muzzle too! Some people find that if you squeeze a cat it will
    meow. Imagine a band with animal instruments. Could be good YT
    fonder.


    "Don't worry about people you can't motivate" is exactly
    what everybody is doing and exactly the reason why social
    circles are shrinking so sharply.

    Sounds like you are shooting for quantity over quality. Just
    focus on quality.


    Of course you don't waste time with people you cant do
    anything interesting with. That means the number of people
    worth spending time with is so tiny that youcan count it
    with the fingers of a horse (horses have 4 fingers; one per
    leg).

    Four worthy people is not enough? ;)


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Mon Apr 24 20:12:00 2023
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Sunday 23.04.23 - 17:45, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    That only takes you so far. If you are helping somebody out
    everytime he needs but he fails to help you out the two
    times you really need the help, that relationship just
    cannot last because the other party just does not give a
    fuckbout you.

    Eg. I don't worry about reciprocation from people that are
    stranded and are desparate for a ride. I just provide the
    ride. I may never see that person ever again. Doesn't matter.

    Eg. I don't worry about reciprocation from people that need me
    to call a taxi. I make the call.

    Eg. I don't worry about reciprocation from people that need
    their devices charged a bit so that they can regain use of
    them.

    Eg. I don't worry about families that need to use my shop
    bathroom (it is NOT a public toilet) and they have kids holding
    it in desperation. Most of the time they might buy something.


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Digital Man on Mon Apr 24 21:17:00 2023
    Hello Digital Man!

    ** On Sunday 23.04.23 - 18:13, Digital Man wrote to MRO:

    I'd never heard of her, so I looked her up. She's hot enough, but $18M a year? I doubt that. --

    Me neither. So she writhes around and people pay for that? Sad
    to think that people have become a society of voyeurs.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Ogg on Tue Apr 25 07:01:52 2023
    Re: Young People
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Mon Apr 24 2023 07:32 pm

    Sounds like you are shooting for quantity over quality. Just
    focus on quality.


    I think you are trying to help me regarding something I don't feel bad about.

    I am just stating facts.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Ogg on Tue Apr 25 07:08:51 2023
    Re: Young People
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Mon Apr 24 2023 08:12 pm

    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Sunday 23.04.23 - 17:45, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    That only takes you so far. If you are helping somebody out
    everytime he needs but he fails to help you out the two
    times you really need the help, that relationship just
    cannot last because the other party just does not give a
    fuckbout you.

    Eg. I don't worry about reciprocation from people that are
    stranded and are desparate for a ride. I just provide the
    ride. I may never see that person ever again. Doesn't matter.

    Eg. I don't worry about reciprocation from people that need me
    to call a taxi. I make the call.

    Eg. I don't worry about reciprocation from people that need
    their devices charged a bit so that they can regain use of
    them.

    Eg. I don't worry about families that need to use my shop
    bathroom (it is NOT a public toilet) and they have kids holding
    it in desperation. Most of the time they might buy something.


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    I don't think the cases are comparable.

    A better analogy would be letting a family who does not ever buy anything use your bathroom every single day, then you need to borrow a pencil and they won'tlend you theirs.

    People who uses up your time and gives nothing in return at all is much better out of your life.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Ogg on Tue Apr 25 07:10:13 2023
    Re: Young People
    By: Ogg to Digital Man on Mon Apr 24 2023 09:17 pm

    Hello Digital Man!

    ** On Sunday 23.04.23 - 18:13, Digital Man wrote to MRO:

    I'd never heard of her, so I looked her up. She's hot enough, but $18M > DM> year? I doubt that. --

    Me neither. So she writhes around and people pay for that? Sad
    to think that people have become a society of voyeurs.

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    You have seen nothing yet.

    Twitch is brimming with channels that feature gals sucking microphones as if they were dicks and they have followers in spades.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Moondog on Tue Apr 25 10:28:12 2023
    Re: Young People
    By: Moondog to Digital Man on Mon Apr 24 2023 11:03 am

    Re: Young People
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Sun Apr 23 2023 06:13 pm

    Re: Young People
    By: MRO to Arelor on Sat Apr 22 2023 08:44 pm

    well it's been going on for a while and apparently it's working. i have watched amouranth on twitch and i dont get it. she is sort of attractive and has big boobs. but you dont see it. it's not like watching porn. you just see her sit around and play videogames or go in a hot tub.

    somehow she makes 100k a month and 18mil plus a year. apprently in dec sh got 70k in cash and a new iphone and a taser and a nubmer for prepaid bodyguard service because she had problems with her fiance.

    I'd never heard of her, so I looked her up. She's hot enough, but $18M a yea --

    Kim Kardashian makes $20k a year off of posting pictures on Instagram

    I would think she makes a lot more than that (just of Instagram endorsements). $20K would be just a drop in the bucket of her total yearly income.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Tue Apr 25 06:58:00 2023
    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    A pregnant's woman profile, which is said to be the most valuable to advertisers (because they go in a shopping spree for baby related
    products thatis very intense) used to be worth... two bucks?

    Rumor has it the google search "I FORGOT MY WEDDING ANNIVERSARY" is a
    pretty lucrative user profile... :)




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Phigan on Tue Apr 25 07:10:00 2023
    Phigan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    100% with you on this. Also, the jankier the car, the cooler it feels.

    I'm of Acura/Lexus age, but I want an old VW fastback with the original
    paint and a roof rack. I'd be scared to death to drive it with
    distracted SUV drivers on the roads nowadays.

    But a guy can dream.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Tue Apr 25 07:11:00 2023
    Moondog wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    y'll have gleaned from reading, I'm a bit of a firearm enthusiast. I feell more comfortable at a shooting range or gun shop than a party.

    So, you're in a place where the pickup line "I want to take you to my
    gun range then buy you a STEAK" might actually work!



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Tue Apr 25 07:14:00 2023
    Moondog wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    This reminds me of an Outdoor Channel series called "For love or
    likes." The contestants are "insta-famous" girls who get monetized for posting picutres of them selves in camoflage

    I followed one of those. I couldn't see her.

    My local surplus store (I love shopping to look at the gear, used a
    variety of shoulder bags as stealthy camera bags). had a hanger bag with
    a picture of a woman in a camouflaged camisole and matching shorts, with
    the title "TACTICAL NIGHTIE".




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Tue Apr 25 07:19:00 2023
    Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-

    During school hours, yes. If there's practice or a game or club event going on, you need an alternate form of transportation if it's not
    during school hours. Even when an activity is held after class is out
    of session, you'll need a ride home or someone to pick you up.

    That's a shame - the local junior high and high school got out at 3 and
    had bus service, but had a late bus at 5:20pm, that the activities,
    turoting, homework "clubs" and sports planned around.

    Both my wife and I work, and where we live it seems like the majority of
    the moms are stay-at-home moms. We appreciate having activities for the
    kids to do after school on occasion.

    Thankfully, I'm working from home now. Rushing from an office to pick up
    kids was a source of untold stress.





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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Arelor on Tue Apr 25 10:29:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Arelor to Moondog on Mon Apr 24 2023 06:14 pm

    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Moondog to Dumas Walker on Mon Apr 24 2023 09:49 am

    You're shopping in the wrong place for conversation/ relationship. As y' have gleaned from reading, I'm a bit of a firearm enthusiast. I feell mo

    The only woman I have seen at the shooting ranges of my province since I got married.

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    Mileage may vary depending on location. Yes, many women you find on the
    range are with their spouse or boyfriend. Then again it is no longer the
    place for old men to hide from their old ladies. Main point is the shooting disciplines are no longer just a men's club. Shooting sports are an
    equalizer where gender is neither an advantage nor hindrance.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Gamgee on Tue Apr 25 10:48:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Gamgee to Arelor on Mon Apr 24 2023 06:57 pm

    Arelor wrote to Moondog <=-

    You're shopping in the wrong place for conversation/ relationship. As y' have gleaned from reading, I'm a bit of a firearm enthusiast. I feell mo

    The only woman I have seen at the shooting ranges of my province
    since I got mytarget shooting sporting card (years ago) is an old
    lady who happens to be married.

    This likely is the result of the "gun thinking" difference between Spain
    and the USA. At my local range, on a Saturday afternoon, there are
    likely to be 30-40 people, and probably 40% of them are women.



    ... Smith & Wesson: The ORIGINAL point-and-click interface.

    40% is a decent number. Way better than most would expect.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Ogg on Tue Apr 25 10:55:00 2023
    Re: Young People
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Mon Apr 24 2023 07:32 pm

    Hello Arelor!

    You mentiond a band.. so, do you play an instrument?

    If you gently knock a horse nose, it sounds like a drum. I suppose that counts.

    That's hilarous. I do believe I've played drums on a horse's
    muzzle too! Some people find that if you squeeze a cat it will
    meow. Imagine a band with animal instruments. Could be good YT
    fonder.


    "Don't worry about people you can't motivate" is exactly
    what everybody is doing and exactly the reason why social
    circles are shrinking so sharply.

    Sounds like you are shooting for quantity over quality. Just
    focus on quality.


    Of course you don't waste time with people you cant do
    anything interesting with. That means the number of people
    worth spending time with is so tiny that youcan count it
    with the fingers of a horse (horses have 4 fingers; one per
    leg).

    Four worthy people is not enough? ;)



    Four peopel is enough to carry you in a stretcher or supply cover fire
    while you reload or retreat. You can dig holes and hide bodies faster with four people. If you take too long digging holes by yourself and somebody
    sees you, you might have to dig another hole to hide the extra body.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Ogg on Tue Apr 25 11:01:00 2023
    Re: Young People
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Mon Apr 24 2023 08:12 pm

    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Sunday 23.04.23 - 17:45, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    That only takes you so far. If you are helping somebody out
    everytime he needs but he fails to help you out the two
    times you really need the help, that relationship just
    cannot last because the other party just does not give a
    fuckbout you.

    Eg. I don't worry about reciprocation from people that are
    stranded and are desparate for a ride. I just provide the
    ride. I may never see that person ever again. Doesn't matter.

    Eg. I don't worry about reciprocation from people that need me
    to call a taxi. I make the call.

    Eg. I don't worry about reciprocation from people that need
    their devices charged a bit so that they can regain use of
    them.

    Eg. I don't worry about families that need to use my shop
    bathroom (it is NOT a public toilet) and they have kids holding
    it in desperation. Most of the time they might buy something.



    In some cases people avoiding you because they owe you may be a good thing.
    If a deadbeat owes you $20 and avoids you, that is money well spent. That
    meas he won't be back soon to ask for more money.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Apr 25 13:23:27 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Phigan on Tue Apr 25 2023 07:10 am

    I'm of Acura/Lexus age, but I want an old VW fastback with the original paint and a roof rack. I'd be scared to death to drive it with
    distracted SUV drivers on the roads nowadays.

    For some reason, lately I've thought it would be cool to find an 80s VW Quantum in good condition and use it as a daily driver. I like the 80s VW aesthetic (inside and out), and in particular, I think the rarity of the 80s VW Quantum would make it cool to own one.

    Nightfox

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Tue Apr 25 15:19:00 2023
    One of the things that I loved about the old dial-up BBS scene was the locality of it. You could get into a month-long flame war, accuse your opponent of buggering goats, and then meet up over a couple of beers
    at one of the gettogethers, continue the conversation and act like humans.

    Your online persona wasn't who you were.

    A lot of the boards in the Louisville, KY, area back then were real name boards, so it was more difficult to hide behind an online persona, too. I
    met a few users and fellow sysops over the years. I don't remember meeting
    any that I had an online dust-up with.

    Still, I think you are right, even when you got into it with people, people were more careful back then not to be completely horrible.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MOONDOG on Tue Apr 25 15:21:00 2023
    This reminds me of an Outdoor Channel series called "For love or likes."
    The contestants are "insta-famous" girls who get monetized for posting picutres of them selves in camoflage or in outdoor hunting-type settings. Some of these women have 30k followers! Anyways, the host bring s them out to a private hunting game farm and see who is the real thing by seeing who can harvest the most animals. Funny thing is some have close to none or zero hunting skills, and are posers. One contestant learned how to shoot a bow the week before in order to compete. The grand prize was coming back the next season as a co-host, and benefits were drawing attention to advertisers who hire "influencers" to help sell products.

    That actually sounds entertaining. I have met some women who can handle a firearm and that also hunt. In my area that is probably more common than
    an hour away "in the city."


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Tue Apr 25 17:35:34 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Apr 25 2023 01:23 pm

    For some reason, lately I've thought it would be cool to find an 80s VW Quantum in good condition and use it as a daily driver. I like the 80s VW aesthetic (inside and out), and in particular, I think the rarity of the 80s VW Quantum would make it cool to own one.

    I can attest -- I drove a '77 Rabbit Diesel and an '83.

    The '77 was fun to drive, nimble, despite being underpowered. The build quality and design felt like a logical extension from the Beetle, not overly complex. They had a utilitarian, sparse feel to them without feeling cheap.

    The dashboard indicator for the turn signal, for example, had 1 LED. You knew which direction you indicated, so why have a left and right LED?

    The '83 was built in Pennsylvania. It felt heavier, more solid, and less nimble. It had a 3+e transmission, they called it - the 4th gear was really only a highway gear.

    I should have kept the '77, but I'd run the brakes too far down, and bought the '83 for less than the cost of new rotors and pads.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Digital Man on Tue Apr 25 19:34:00 2023
    Re: Young People
    By: Digital Man to Moondog on Tue Apr 25 2023 10:28 am

    Re: Young People
    By: Moondog to Digital Man on Mon Apr 24 2023 11:03 am

    Re: Young People
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Sun Apr 23 2023 06:13 pm

    Re: Young People
    By: MRO to Arelor on Sat Apr 22 2023 08:44 pm

    well it's been going on for a while and apparently it's working. i have watched amouranth on twitch and i dont get it. she is sort of attractive and has big boobs. but you dont see it. it's not like watching porn. you just see her sit around and play videogames or g in a hot tub.

    somehow she makes 100k a month and 18mil plus a year. apprently in sh got 70k in cash and a new iphone and a taser and a nubmer for prepaid bodyguard service because she had problems with her fiance.

    I'd never heard of her, so I looked her up. She's hot enough, but $18M yea --

    Kim Kardashian makes $20k a year off of posting pictures on Instagram

    I would think she makes a lot more than that (just of Instagram endorsements --
    digital man (rob)

    Rush quote #66:
    He's old enough to know what's right, but young enough not to choose it Norco, CA WX: 57.8øF, 96.0% humidity, 2 mph E wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs


    $20k is pretty good for passive income due to the amount of followers she has.
    I have no idea how much she posts which is why that number may not be
    higher. The insta famous types post daily if not several pics a day to keep followers interested.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Apr 25 19:39:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Tue Apr 25 2023 07:11 am

    Moondog wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    y'll have gleaned from reading, I'm a bit of a firearm enthusiast. I feell more comfortable at a shooting range or gun shop than a party.

    So, you're in a place where the pickup line "I want to take you to my
    gun range then buy you a STEAK" might actually work!



    ... SURELY NOT EVERYONE WAS KUNG FU FIGHTING

    I don't consider the range to be a meet market, but it shows there are other venues than bars or dance clubs where women hang out.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Apr 25 19:45:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Tue Apr 25 2023 07:14 am

    Moondog wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    This reminds me of an Outdoor Channel series called "For love or likes." The contestants are "insta-famous" girls who get monetized for posting picutres of them selves in camoflage

    I followed one of those. I couldn't see her.

    My local surplus store (I love shopping to look at the gear, used a
    variety of shoulder bags as stealthy camera bags). had a hanger bag with
    a picture of a woman in a camouflaged camisole and matching shorts, with
    the title "TACTICAL NIGHTIE".




    ... alnal nathrak uth vaas bethud dothiel dienve

    Camo stuff sells well. You can go to a tuxedo rental and rent a tux in Mossy Oak or Realtree. I never saw the appeal of having a camoflage wallet. You'd lose it if it dropped in the woods.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Apr 25 19:53:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Tue Apr 25 2023 07:19 am

    Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-

    During school hours, yes. If there's practice or a game or club event going on, you need an alternate form of transportation if it's not during school hours. Even when an activity is held after class is out of session, you'll need a ride home or someone to pick you up.

    That's a shame - the local junior high and high school got out at 3 and
    had bus service, but had a late bus at 5:20pm, that the activities, turoting, homework "clubs" and sports planned around.

    Both my wife and I work, and where we live it seems like the majority of
    the moms are stay-at-home moms. We appreciate having activities for the
    kids to do after school on occasion.

    Thankfully, I'm working from home now. Rushing from an office to pick up kids was a source of untold stress.





    ... This will go on your PERMANENT RECORD!

    My sister spoiled her kids and dropped them off and picked them up even
    though the bus ran past their house. My nephew would walk across the street
    to the supermarket with a cofee shop area and hang out and play with his friends for an hour or so after school. if my sister was working she'd call someone else to pick them up. When I was in school it was an inconvenience
    for my parents to drive to the school, so i didn't get active with any after s chool activities unless I had a ride home with another kid that lived nearby

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Apr 25 19:44:05 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue Apr 25 2023 05:35 pm

    The '77 was fun to drive, nimble, despite being underpowered. The build quality and design felt like a logical extension from the Beetle, not overly complex. They had a utilitarian, sparse feel to them without feeling cheap.

    Yeah, that's something I liked about their 80s cars.

    The dashboard indicator for the turn signal, for example, had 1 LED. You knew which direction you indicated, so why have a left and right LED?

    Yep, my dad had a 1980 Scirocco and I remember the single turn signal LED. And for a while, I had a 1988 VW Fox that I think also had the single turn signal LED.

    Nightfox

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  • From Phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Apr 25 20:53:22 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Phigan on Tue Apr 25 2023 07:10 am

    I'm of Acura/Lexus age, but I want an old VW fastback with the original paint and a roof rack. I'd be scared to death to drive it with

    69 Squareback.. I've been searching for a roof rack for a long time :/

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  • From Phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Apr 25 20:54:23 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Tue Apr 25 2023 07:11 am

    So, you're in a place where the pickup line "I want to take you to my
    gun range then buy you a STEAK" might actually work!

    I'd rather be where I can be like "Hey baby, can I buy you a fish sandwich?"

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Tue Apr 25 21:06:00 2023
    Hello Arelor!

    I don't think the cases are comparable.

    A better analogy would be letting a family who does not
    ever buy anything use your bathroom every single day, then
    you need to borrow a pencil and they won'tlend you theirs.

    I concur. Some people are disrespectful and selfish. Well..
    then, I make note of that and next time I just say "NO".


    People who uses up your time and gives nothing in return at
    all is much better out of your life.

    Yeah.. I've had people make me do research on the books/
    authors, I print it off for them, and then I never see them
    again, or they never order/buy anything.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Tue Apr 25 21:13:00 2023
    Hello Arelor!

    You have seen nothing yet.

    Twitch is brimming with channels that feature gals sucking
    microphones as if they were dicks and they have followers
    in spades.

    I'd have to be pretty drunk to think that was worth the time.
    I'd rather have the real deal. ;)



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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Tue Apr 25 21:18:00 2023
    Hello Arelor!

    Sounds like you are shooting for quantity over quality.
    Just focus on quality.


    I think you are trying to help me regarding something I
    don't feel bad about.

    Yeah.. it sounded like you were disappointed and unsuccessful
    dealing with people in your experiences.


    I am just stating facts.

    Ah. OK. But selfish types are found everywhere. However, I
    think MOST people are respectful and reciprocate and are
    thankful.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Dumas Walker on Tue Apr 25 22:38:00 2023
    Hello Dumas Walker!

    ** On Tuesday 25.04.23 - 15:21, Dumas Walker wrote to MOONDOG:

    This reminds me of an Outdoor Channel series called "For love or likes."
    The contestants are "insta-famous" girls who get monetized for posting
    picutres of them selves in camoflage or in outdoor hunting-type settings.

    [...]

    That actually sounds entertaining. I have met some women who can handle afirearm and that also hunt. In my area that is probably more common
    than an hour away "in the city."

    I'm impressed when I see a woman use a chainsaw to trim the
    brush around the house or cut up her own firewood.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Ogg on Wed Apr 26 08:34:48 2023
    Re: Young People
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Tue Apr 25 2023 09:18 pm

    Ah. OK. But selfish types are found everywhere. However, I
    think MOST people are respectful and reciprocate and are
    thankful.


    Well, I just happen to think they are not - hence my favourite slogan y'all know and love.

    --
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Wed Apr 26 06:36:00 2023
    Moondog wrote to Digital Man <=-

    $20k is pretty good for passive income due to the amount of followers
    she has.

    Given the fact that she was at one point alleged to be making that much
    in appearance fees at parties that the magnitude is in question.

    I have no idea how much she posts which is why that number may not be higher. The insta famous types post daily if not several pics a day to keep followers interested.

    Considering she has a social media theme, I think the answer to your
    question is "As many or as few posts as it takes to remain relevant..."




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Wed Apr 26 06:38:00 2023
    Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I don't consider the range to be a meet market

    Love the term!

    When I lived in San Francisco, the Marina Blvd. Safeway was known as the "Social Safeway". It had been that way since the '60s. Simpler times,
    they were...




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Wed Apr 26 06:41:00 2023
    Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    My sister spoiled her kids and dropped them off and picked them up even though the bus ran past their house.

    I used to drive my son to the bus stop, admittedly it started out that
    the timing was perfect for me to drop him off on the way to school,
    but I continued that. We live on a hill, that was his excuse.

    I didn't want him missing the bus and having to drive him, that was
    mine.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Wed Apr 26 06:48:00 2023
    Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Yep, my dad had a 1980 Scirocco and I remember the single turn signal
    LED. And for a while, I had a 1988 VW Fox that I think also had the single turn signal LED.

    My high school had one side of the parking lot with old muscle cars, the
    other side were all imported cars. There were a couple of those old
    Rabbits with cool stereos, air dams under the front bumper, driving
    lights, and bigger wheels. The engines were easy to tweak, and those old rabbits had carbueretors which you could swap out.

    I drive a beater Fiat 850 Spyder, nowhere near as cool, despite being a convertible. 0-60 was 27 seconds, and top speed was around 70 - and that
    was pushing it.

    903cc 4 cylinder engine. 40 horsepower.



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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Moondog on Wed Apr 26 07:46:00 2023
    Hello Moondog!

    In some cases people avoiding you because they owe you may
    be a good thing. If a deadbeat owes you $20 and avoids you,
    that is money well spent. That meas he won't be back soon
    to ask for more money.

    Oh.. I've had a couple of those too.

    One guy seemed to be pretty good with paying me back $25 within
    a month a few timess, and then it was $50 twice within 6
    months - with some intermediate visits inbetween with
    "excuses".

    But, the third time it was another $50, and he never dropped by
    - although, I've seen him around town. So.. the third time he
    asks me for anything, it's going to be "sorry.. 3 strikes,
    you're out." I know he can make better decisions, but he
    chooses to spend money on booze, tattoos and piercings; those
    things are not cheap.

    I've given up to an accumulated total of about $70 to another
    bloke over the last couple years, but I know I'll never get
    anything back from him. He's perpetually dependent on
    methodone, and still takes other illegal/recreational drugs.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Apr 26 09:55:43 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Apr 26 2023 06:48 am

    My high school had one side of the parking lot with old muscle cars, the other side were all imported cars. There were a couple of those old Rabbits with cool stereos, air dams under the front bumper, driving lights, and bigger wheels. The engines were easy to tweak, and those old rabbits had carbueretors which you could swap out.

    I drive a beater Fiat 850 Spyder, nowhere near as cool, despite being a convertible. 0-60 was 27 seconds, and top speed was around 70 - and that was pushing it.

    903cc 4 cylinder engine. 40 horsepower.

    :)
    In an earlier message, I remember you saying your '77 Rabbit was underpowered. That reminded me of when I heard the engine in the 1980 Scirocco (and other model years around that year) had something like 90 horsepower, and for what was supposed to be a sporty car, I thought that seemed a little low, even for those model years.

    Nightfox

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to OGG on Wed Apr 26 15:46:00 2023
    That actually sounds entertaining. I have met some women who can handle afirearm and that also hunt. In my area that is probably more common than an hour away "in the city."

    I'm impressed when I see a woman use a chainsaw to trim the
    brush around the house or cut up her own firewood.

    Indeed. :)


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  • From Margaerynne@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Apr 26 19:45:30 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed Apr 26 2023 06:38 am

    When I lived in San Francisco, the Marina Blvd. Safeway was known as the "Social Safeway". It had been that way
    since the '60s. Simpler times,

    Is that like Swinger Kroger in eastern Cincinnati?

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Thu Apr 27 06:40:12 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Apr 26 2023 09:55 am

    underpowered. That reminded me of when I heard the engine in the 1980 Scirocco (and other model years around that year) had something like 90 horsepower, and for what was supposed to be a sporty car, I thought that seemed a little low, even for those model years.

    They were light, though. Back then, 9-11 second zero to 60 times were OK.

    There was a race circuit, I think it was called the Bilstein Cup? All of the drivers drove stock VW Rabbits with safety add-ons. It was a great idea, taking all of the car advantages out and making it all about the driver.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Margaerynne on Thu Apr 27 06:41:28 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Margaerynne to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Apr 26 2023 07:45 pm

    Is that like Swinger Kroger in eastern Cincinnati?

    Could be. The San Francisco version was pretty happening in the '70s, or so I'm told.

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  • From Margaerynne@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Apr 27 11:28:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Margaerynne on Thu Apr 27 2023 06:41 am

    Could be. The San Francisco version was pretty happening in the '70s, or so I'm told.

    ...How did you find this place?

    Mostly jokes and anecdotes -- I've never actually confirmed it firsthand

    There's also Disco Kroger in northern Kentucky, but I'm told that's a not-uncommon name for 24/7 Krogers

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MARGAERYNNE on Fri Apr 28 15:04:00 2023
    There's also Disco Kroger in northern Kentucky, but I'm told that's a
    ot-unc
    mon name for 24/7 Krogers

    You still have 24/7 Krogers up there? In Central KY, many of the Krogers
    cut back their hours during the holidays *right before* COVID. They
    actually had to increase their hour some in order to allow for the early morning "eldery shopping" hour.

    For people who were willing to go during off-hours when there are not many people in the store, it was very frustrating.

    WalMart is also no longer 24/7 but I think that happened during COVID.


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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to Dr. What on Sat Apr 29 17:06:00 2023
    On 29 Apr 2023, Dr. What said the following...

    MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    i think all walmarts pretty much cut the 24/7 because it's not profitable.

    That's what happened up here in Michigan. We have Meijer stores that
    were open 24/7. But when the scamdemic happened, stopped being 24 hours and haven't changed back.

    i think they originally just did it because they were there with the lights on anyways (stock people still work overnight or at least a lot later at most of them)

    it does suck being stuck going to the 24 hour walgreens instead though..

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dr. What on Sat Apr 29 22:47:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Dr. What to MRO on Sat Apr 29 2023 08:21 am

    MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    i think all walmarts pretty much cut the 24/7 because it's not profitable.

    That's what happened up here in Michigan. We have Meijer stores that were o 24/7. But when the scamdemic happened, stopped being 24 hours and haven't changed back.

    The friends who I still have at Meijer told me that they had been wanting to stop being 24 hours because of profitability, but didn't want to make the customers angry. The scamdemic gave them the excuse to reduce their hours a they probably won't go back to 24 hours.


    ... If you can't laugh at yourself ... I'll do it for you.

    I used to work with a dude that liked to shop at Meijers around 2 in the morning. i imagine he had the store pretty much to himself and the only
    other people there were night stockers.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/THEGATEB to fusion on Sun Apr 30 08:36:00 2023
    fusion wrote to Dr. What <=-

    i think they originally just did it because they were there with the lights on anyways (stock people still work overnight or at least a lot later at most of them)

    That's why they evolved to 24-hours over time.

    Customers in the store mean that you need the checkouts manned, plus customers means that it takes longer for the stockers and cleaners to do their jobs.

    By closing the store to customers for a while, Meijer needs less stockers and cleaners - since it takes less time now.

    it does suck being stuck going to the 24 hour walgreens instead
    though..

    Ya, but the Meijer pharmacy was never open 24-hours and that's where that area of the store makes money.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/THEGATEB to Moondog on Sun Apr 30 08:37:00 2023
    Moondog wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I used to work with a dude that liked to shop at Meijers around 2 in
    the morning. i imagine he had the store pretty much to himself and
    the only other people there were night stockers.

    Ya, not alot of people. But the aisles are stuffed with to-be-stocked items. The people who bring out the stuff are not necesairly the people who actually do the stocking.

    And the floor cleaners are going across all the floors with their scrubbers and buffers.


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Moondog on Sun Apr 30 07:42:00 2023
    Moondog wrote to Dr. What <=-

    The friends who I still have at Meijer told me that they had been wanting to stop being 24 hours because of profitability, but didn't want to make the customers angry. The scamdemic gave them the excuse to reduce their hours a they probably won't go back to 24 hours.

    I used to work with a dude that liked to shop at Meijers around
    2 in the morning. i imagine he had the store pretty much to
    himself and the only other people there were night stockers.

    And night stalkers...



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MOONDOG on Sun Apr 30 08:58:00 2023
    I used to work with a dude that liked to shop at Meijers around 2 in the morning. i imagine he had the store pretty much to himself and the only other people there were night stockers.

    Here, the Krogers that were 24 hours stated their reason for cutting back
    open hours was so the night stockers could work more efficiently without customers in the store.

    Being someone who shops early in the morning, I can tell you that they must
    not have many/any night stockers because many of the aisles were full of stockers during early business hours.

    I think the "efficient night stocking" was an excuse. This was 4-6 months before COVID started.


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  • From Margaerynne@VERT/PALANTIR to Dumas Walker on Sun Apr 30 16:18:53 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Dumas Walker to MARGAERYNNE on Fri Apr 28 2023 03:04 pm

    You still have 24/7 Krogers up there? In Central KY, many of the Krogers cut back their hours during the holidays *right before* COVID. They actually had to increase their hour some in order to allow for the early morning "eldery shopping" hour.

    Probably not, actually. It's been a while since I've checked, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were gone.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Sun Apr 30 10:50:00 2023
    Moondog wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I used to work with a dude that liked to shop at Meijers around 2 in
    the morning. i imagine he had the store pretty much to himself and
    the only other people there were night stockers.

    Stalker? :)



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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Mon May 1 09:03:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Sun Apr 30 2023 08:58 am

    I used to work with a dude that liked to shop at Meijers around 2 in the morning. i imagine he had the store pretty much to himself and the only other people there were night stockers.

    Here, the Krogers that were 24 hours stated their reason for cutting back open hours was so the night stockers could work more efficiently without customers in the store.

    Being someone who shops early in the morning, I can tell you that they must not have many/any night stockers because many of the aisles were full of stockers during early business hours.

    I think the "efficient night stocking" was an excuse. This was 4-6 months before COVID started.


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    I imagine stocking shelves is easier with the help of electronic inventory systems. Perishable items will need to be visually checked for expiration dates, however longer term items probably raise a flag in the system if
    there's less than a certain level on the shelf.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Margaerynne on Mon May 1 09:06:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Margaerynne to Dumas Walker on Sun Apr 30 2023 04:18 pm

    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Dumas Walker to MARGAERYNNE on Fri Apr 28 2023 03:04 pm

    You still have 24/7 Krogers up there? In Central KY, many of the Krogers cut back their hours during the holidays *right before* COVID. They actually had to increase their hour some in order to allow for the early

    Probably not, actually. It's been a while since I've checked, but I wouldn'


    The stores in my area designated a time within ordinary operating hours for
    the elderly and others who were more receptive to illness.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/PHARCYDE to Nightfox on Mon May 1 21:55:28 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Sun Apr 23 2023 03:30 pm

    If you can go where you need to go on public transit, you can avoid the cost of owning a car (such as car insurance and maintenance, etc.). Some people might prefer that.
    Nightfox

    I know I do. I sold my last car in 2009 and have been without a car since. I get rides from friends and family and use public transportation. I used to feel I couldn't live without a car but that is not the way I feel today. The money I save not owning a car I use to go to rock concerts or dinner.

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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to HusTler on Tue May 2 15:17:00 2023
    On 01 May 2023, HusTler said the following...


    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Sun Apr 23 2023 03:30 pm

    If you can go where you need to go on public transit, you can avoid the of owning a car (such as car insurance and maintenance, etc.). Some peo might prefer that.
    Nightfox

    I know I do. I sold my last car in 2009 and have been without a car since. I get rides from friends and family and use public
    transportation. I used to feel I couldn't live without a car but that is not the way I feel today. The money I save not owning a car I use to go
    to rock concerts or dinner.
    HusTler

    this isn't a testament to your ability to not own cars.. this is just burdening your friends who do have cars..

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  • From hollowone@VERT/BEERS20 to Arelor on Sat May 20 05:06:00 2023
    I am from the Tinder generation. A lot of people born in the 80s and 90s are using dating applications to get dates.

    Tinder is the place I met the most toxic ladies in my life, ever...

    But anyway I agree online dating is older than Tinder and Tinder is nothing else than Hot or Not from early days of Facebook... so the question is not the app but general online experience of meeting people toward serious relationship.

    In this context all I can say is that online dating did cost me two divorces and a lady met in a train, with who I talked nonsense for 5h is what I have finally a healthy family with... Thus I'm opting for the traditional encounter club.

    -h1

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to hollowone on Sat May 20 18:33:43 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: hollowone to Arelor on Sat May 20 2023 05:06 am

    Tinder is the place I met the most toxic ladies in my life, ever...

    A friend of mine, who used Tinder heavily, once told me "Women in Tinder are inTinder for a reason".

    You always hear from the sickening desperate dudes plaguing these apps, but there are also a number of gals who are so freakish they need to use online dating because they can't grab a date otherwise.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to hollowone on Sat May 20 17:15:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: hollowone to Arelor on Sat May 20 2023 05:06 am

    I am from the Tinder generation. A lot of people born in the 80s and 90 are using dating applications to get dates.

    Tinder is the place I met the most toxic ladies in my life, ever...

    But anyway I agree online dating is older than Tinder and Tinder is nothing

    In this context all I can say is that online dating did cost me two divorces

    -h1

    ... Xerox Alto was the thing. Anything after we use is just a mere copy.

    I get the impression that online and computer dating is more about false impressions for the sake of scoring versus establishing a genuine
    relationship. In other words, it's about gaming the system. If you're
    trying to just hook up, fine. Otherwise anyone looking for long term results is attempting to force results.

    I have never been diagnosed, but I suspect I have an autistic spectrum
    disorder that prevents me from developing long term relationships. I'm 53, so
    pretty much my desire to get hooked up have a family has never been a priority.

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  • From esc@VERT/MONTEREY to Arelor on Sun May 21 00:15:00 2023
    Tinder is the place I met the most toxic ladies in my life, ever...

    Tinder's where I met my wife over eight years ago! And went on a number of awesome dates prior to meeting her.

    A friend of mine, who used Tinder heavily, once told me "Women in Tinder are inTinder for a reason".

    Sounds like your friend is looking outward when perhaps your friend should be looking inward.

    You always hear from the sickening desperate dudes plaguing these apps, but there are also a number of gals who are so freakish they need to use online dating because they can't grab a date otherwise.

    And, in my experience, everything is above board and people like to meet other people. *shrug*

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to HOLLOWONE on Sun May 21 09:57:00 2023
    But anyway I agree online dating is older than Tinder and Tinder is nothing
    l
    than Hot or Not from early days of Facebook... so the question is not the
    pp
    ut general online experience of meeting people toward serious relationship.

    My recollection of Hot or Not was that it was a website independent of FB.
    Was HoN a precursor or predecessor to FB?


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  • From hollowone@VERT/BEERS20 to Dumas Walker on Sun May 21 10:52:00 2023
    My recollection of Hot or Not was that it was a website independent of
    FB. Was HoN a precursor or predecessor to FB?

    I can't recall, I remember it as one of the first built-in apps on FB.
    Also the Social Network suggests this feature was kind of a level for Zuck to get his platform adopted among the students earlier, before it went international.

    -h1

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Moondog on Sun May 21 12:37:25 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Moondog to hollowone on Sat May 20 2023 05:15 pm

    I get the impression that online and computer dating is more about false impressions for the sake of scoring versus establishing a genuine relationship. In other words, it's about gaming the system. If you're trying to just hook up, fine. Otherwise anyone looking for long term results is attempting to force results.

    I think there's a difference between online dating sites vs. hookup sites. Tindr seems to be probably more of a hookup site than for people actually wanting to meet someone for a genuine relationship.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to esc on Sun May 21 12:38:07 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: esc to Arelor on Sun May 21 2023 12:15 am

    You always hear from the sickening desperate dudes plaguing these
    apps, but there are also a number of gals who are so freakish they
    need to use online dating because they can't grab a date otherwise.

    And, in my experience, everything is above board and people like to meet other people. *shrug*

    That's been my experience as well. A dating site is just another way to meet people. I met my wife on one.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Sun May 21 12:38:34 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Dumas Walker to HOLLOWONE on Sun May 21 2023 09:57 am

    than Hot or Not from early days of Facebook... so the question is not

    My recollection of Hot or Not was that it was a website independent of FB. Was HoN a precursor or predecessor to FB?

    That's my recollection as well. I don't think Hot Or Not was related to Facebook at all.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to hollowone on Sun May 21 12:38:58 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: hollowone to Dumas Walker on Sun May 21 2023 10:52 am

    My recollection of Hot or Not was that it was a website independent
    of FB. Was HoN a precursor or predecessor to FB?

    I can't recall, I remember it as one of the first built-in apps on FB.

    I remember seeing it as its own web site. It didn't seem related to Facebook in any way.

    Nightfox

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  • From esc@VERT/MONTEREY to Nightfox on Sun May 21 14:59:00 2023
    My recollection of Hot or Not was that it was a website independent o Was HoN a precursor or predecessor to FB?

    That's my recollection as well. I don't think Hot Or Not was related to Facebook at all.

    This is correct. Zuckerberg made a sort of "hot or not" lite which just had headshots from women at Harvard at the time. It was a very localized, simple thing.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to esc on Sun May 21 19:29:00 2023
    esc wrote to MRO <=-

    None of them are any good. that's good that you had a good experience
    but I wouldn't trust any woman that uses those sites. if she really is
    a good woman she's less than 1% of the whole.

    I had multiple great experiences. In various parts of the world.
    Great dates, fun. Maybe you're going about it the wrong way?

    Well.... you *are* talking to 'MRO', ya know. Of course he's going
    about it the wrong way, just like he does everything else.

    society is really sad.

    Lol dude you're the one admitting to a bunch of troll accounts!

    Indeed. ...And, he doesn't even get that.



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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Sun May 21 20:14:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Sun May 21 2023 12:37 pm

    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Moondog to hollowone on Sat May 20 2023 05:15 pm

    I get the impression that online and computer dating is more about fals impressions for the sake of scoring versus establishing a genuine relationship. In other words, it's about gaming the system. If you're trying to just hook up, fine. Otherwise anyone looking for long term results is attempting to force results.

    I think there's a difference between online dating sites vs. hookup sites.

    Nightfox

    Regardless if they're trying to hook up or go the distance in relationships, the gaming approach is still evident. People either use verbage that gets
    the most hits or use profile pictures that are misleading. My brother was using a dating site with a current photo, and even though his age was listed, he was getting comments about looking like an old man (he was 42 at the time.)

    He has blond short cut hair, but his facial hair had a touch of gray. He was considering dying his hair with Just for Men and taking a picture, but he
    used an older picture instead. i get the impression that catfishing is
    pretty common with regards to prfile pics.

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  • From Hustler@VERT/DMINE to Moondog on Mon May 22 12:00:44 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sun May 21 2023 08:14 pm

    he used an older picture instead. i get the impression that catfishing is pretty common with regards to prfile pics.

    That's all I ever got was catfished on tinder or other free dating sites. It's impossible to know who your dealing with, even if you meet them f2f. It's a sick world out there. There are sites that cost money that might be a better option but I've never tried them.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to esc on Mon May 22 15:36:44 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: esc to Arelor on Sun May 21 2023 12:15 am

    A friend of mine, who used Tinder heavily, once told me "Women in Tinde > Ar> are inTinder for a reason".

    Sounds like your friend is looking outward when perhaps your friend should b
    I can assure you this guy is also in Tinder instead of somewhere else for a reason. That does not mean he is wrong.

    Besides, I think this trend of accusing people who complains the dating scene sucks of not being enough of a man sickening. It is first grade whataboutism which deflects attention from the issue at hand, and I have noticed it comes from people who feels superior to the people they are condescending to because they have chained many relationships one after the other (often failed, even ifthey don't want to admit it). As we say in Spain: the dead man makes fun of theguy who got his throat cut.


    I don't use Tinder myself, but what I have noticed is most people my age is getting into shallow relationships just because there is an expectation from society they have to be in one. There is also a lot of people being taken advantage of, or people who is only in a relationship because they are getting some selfish need fulfilled with disregard to the other party. What I mean is if they didn't get their boyfriend or whoever to take them in expensive trips they would dump the relationship as soon as they found somebody who did. I daresay lots of people who are in a relationship and who say it is a healthy one
    are actually in a rotten one and just don't notice or don't want to admit it. Rate of healthy relationships around me is abyssmal, period.

    And this has nothing to do with my skill to score dates or my friend's skill toscore dates, btw, so the condescending brigade better fish for a better
    argument.

    My point is if relationships has an abyssal success ratio I have no reason to believe Tinder has a better one. If the dating pool in meatspace sucks then it is likely the dating pool in Tinder, which is just an extension of meatspace, does too. And this is the reason why I am willing to buy my friend's argument regardless of the fact he is bald, ugly, and a bit of a weirdo.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to HusTler on Tue May 23 17:02:18 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: HusTler to MRO on Tue May 23 2023 03:10 pm

    Re: Re: Young People
    By: MRO to Moondog on Mon May 22 2023 03:46 pm

    Yup, that's how it is when you get women 35+. they had their fun and want > > someone to fix their life. ---

    You mean they made bad choices and now they want someone to love their kids > much as they do and finace her and her children. I've dated women that gave > their laundry list of expectations after the second date. They would tell me > thier kids came first no matter what. At least the women I dated when I was
    younger made the effort to "trap" you first and get you to marry them. Now t > just come right out and tell you what they want and are looking for without
    ever earning it!

    |07 HusTler



    Look at the bright side. It is much better when they make clear what they want right away so you can decide if you like the deal or not.

    Pretty much like gals in Tinder who tell you right away they belong to some subgroup of the woke brigade. You can skip them directly and need not waste your time with them XD

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  • From Hustler@VERT/REALITY to hollowone on Wed May 24 09:16:50 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: hollowone to MRO on Wed May 24 2023 02:52 am

    Now men have to be less naive to think they can change them all but they'd o like to keep corrected tits and mouth for obvious reasons... :>

    It's the women that believe they can change the man once they are married. If you don't, well no tits for you young man followed by divorce. No matter what means of dating you use just don't marry them.. !! Ever!


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Hustler on Wed May 24 18:24:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Hustler to hollowone on Wed May 24 2023 09:16 am

    Re: Re: Young People
    By: hollowone to MRO on Wed May 24 2023 02:52 am

    Now men have to be less naive to think they can change them all but they' like to keep corrected tits and mouth for obvious reasons... :>

    It's the women that believe they can change the man once they are married.


    ...Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality?

    Funny thing is I've seen several guys change their behavior drastically for some trim. They will shit on their best lifelong friends for a woman. The same dudes that say things like, "bros before hoes" pull a 180 when they're
    no longer single

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  • From hollowone@VERT/BEERS20 to Moondog on Thu May 25 04:30:00 2023
    Funny thing is I've seen several guys change their behavior drastically for some trim. They will shit on their best lifelong friends for a
    woman. The same dudes that say things like, "bros before hoes" pull a 180 when they're no longer single

    That's your perspective, sometimes there is a reason you don't see ;).

    As there is a reason for a simple truth told as men's joke in my part of the world:

    Q: Do you know why divorces are so expensive?
    A: Because they are worth it!

    -h1

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  • From Hustler@VERT/DMINE to Moondog on Thu May 25 07:56:09 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Moondog to Hustler on Wed May 24 2023 06:24 pm

    Funny thing is I've seen several guys change their behavior drastically for some trim. They will shit on their best lifelong friends for a woman. The same dudes that say things like, "bros before hoes" pull a 180 when they're no longer single

    AH yes. Pussy can be a powerful animal.
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  • From Phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Moondog on Thu May 25 07:48:49 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Moondog to Hustler on Wed May 24 2023 06:24 pm

    Funny thing is I've seen several guys change their behavior drastically for some trim. They will shit on their best lifelong friends for a woman. The same dudes that say things like, "bros before hoes" pull a 180 when they're no longer single

    This right here. I've known a BUNCH of people like this. Like, what, people won't think you're manly if you'd do thinks for your woman? I bet people like that end up with shittier women because of it :).

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Phigan on Thu May 25 14:16:08 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Phigan to Moondog on Thu May 25 2023 07:48 am

    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Moondog to Hustler on Wed May 24 2023 06:24 pm

    Funny thing is I've seen several guys change their behavior drastically f > > some trim. They will shit on their best lifelong friends for a woman. T > > same dudes that say things like, "bros before hoes" pull a 180 when they > > no longer single

    This right here. I've known a BUNCH of people like this. Like, what, people >

    It isn't that. It is that once they get a girlfriend, or think they can get a girlfriend, they forget their friends and stop doing things together, or the group of friends is relegated to an insulting low priority level.

    It is pretty much like those friends who only show up in your group when every-single-other-plan they had for the day has failed, and you are the last option.

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  • From esc@VERT/MONTEREY to Phigan on Thu May 25 18:19:00 2023
    This right here. I've known a BUNCH of people like this. Like, what, people won't think you're manly if you'd do thinks for your woman? I bet people like that end up with shittier women because of it :).

    Agreed! I always thought "bros before hoes" is what dudes that can't get girlfriends say to justify their loneliness.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to hollowone on Thu May 25 22:59:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: hollowone to Moondog on Thu May 25 2023 04:30 am

    Funny thing is I've seen several guys change their behavior drastically for some trim. They will shit on their best lifelong friends for a woman. The same dudes that say things like, "bros before hoes" pull a 180 when they're no longer single

    That's your perspective, sometimes there is a reason you don't see ;).

    As there is a reason for a simple truth told as men's joke in my part of the

    Q: Do you know why divorces are so expensive?
    A: Because they are worth it!

    -h1

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    Whatever the reason is I cannot see, it's pretty shitty when a lifelong
    friend acts like a total stranger when you run into them in public with their girlfriend. If you cannot say hi to a friend or acknowledge their
    existence, I hope it's worth destroying a friendship.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Phigan on Thu May 25 23:11:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Phigan to Moondog on Thu May 25 2023 07:48 am

    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Moondog to Hustler on Wed May 24 2023 06:24 pm

    Funny thing is I've seen several guys change their behavior drastically f some trim. They will shit on their best lifelong friends for a woman. T same dudes that say things like, "bros before hoes" pull a 180 when they no longer single

    This right here. I've known a BUNCH of people like this. Like, what, people

    I understand relationships consist of compromises, but if you're being
    coerced to be someone you're not, maybe that's a relationship you shouldn't
    be in.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to esc on Fri May 26 01:40:36 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: esc to Phigan on Thu May 25 2023 06:19 pm

    Agreed! I always thought "bros before hoes" is what dudes that can't get gir
    If they have friends to stick with they are no really loners.

    (And the trend to discredit an affirmation arguing that it comes from people "not man enough" to get entangled in a traditional relationship continues)

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Moondog on Fri May 26 01:44:35 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Moondog to hollowone on Thu May 25 2023 10:59 pm

    Whatever the reason is I cannot see, it's pretty shitty when a lifelong friend acts like a total stranger when you run into them in public with thei > girlfriend. If you cannot say hi to a friend or acknowledge their
    existence, I hope it's worth destroying a friendship.


    I have already seen that happen, just the way you describe.

    Statistics make the argument: romantic relationships are NOT likely to last, specially in these days when relationships are so shallow. Chances are half thecomitted relationships will end up in divorce. Meanwhile, friendships tend to
    be a lasting thing. If you crush a friendship for the sake of a romantic relationship you are destroying something that took a lot of effort to built and had a lot of potential for something that will likely break in the medium run.

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  • From hollowone@VERT/BEERS20 to Moondog on Fri May 26 05:52:00 2023
    Whatever the reason is I cannot see, it's pretty shitty when a lifelong friend acts like a total stranger when you run into them in public with their girlfriend. If you cannot say hi to a friend or acknowledge their Mo>
    existence, I hope it's worth destroying a friendship.

    I lost some to similar pattern, but at the end I think this is their problem, not mine to solve.

    Another thing I have learnt is that lifetime friendship is rare to non-existing experience, especially among mobile people.

    I moved several times, I had different relationships too. Those are the primary indications to change priorities enough that not everybody who followed me then, follows me now.

    Unintentionally but kind of every 7 years I change so completely that I almost don't have people from previous era close to me anymore. They don't match my needs, sometimes I don't match theirs...

    I'm 44 now and I've also experienced some old friends coming back to my circle after 10-15 years and I also rediscover them, so nothing is carved in stone in both directions you look at the same thing.

    Never the less, bros before hoes to me sounds like me being 17 y/o rather today with my mindset... Nobody says bro that much anymore, anyway! That had ended in 90s with teens from that generation.

    -h1

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to esc on Fri May 26 07:53:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: esc to Phigan on Thu May 25 2023 06:19 pm

    This right here. I've known a BUNCH of people like this. Like, what, people won't think you're manly if you'd do thinks for your woman? I be people like that end up with shittier women because of it :).

    Agreed! I always thought "bros before hoes" is what dudes that can't get gir

    I have friends in relationships that are the same person they were when they were single. Or I met them and they've been married for years and their wife is cool that they have friends with common interests, or have their own
    friends and do not feel threatened by single people.

    I had one friend I became distant with because after he got married, he was only "allowed" to socialize with other married men, or couples. It
    would be funny because I would call a friend and ask if he and his wife would like to meet at a bar and have a few drinks, and he would say his wife won't let him. I would go anyways, and he and his wife would show up and not come over to me to say hi or want to socialize with me. If they didn't want to be near me or wanted time together, then why show up at a place I asked them if they wanted to meet up at? They could've seen my car parked out front and agree to go somewhere else. It's that concept of a person that is so demanding or insecure about outside influences that creeps me out. it
    reminds me of a person that has joined a cult, and the cult leader demands
    the person to cut off ties with their friends and family, and wants to
    control their exposure to the outside world. That is not a relationship.
    That is idolatry or placing a person on a pedestal and worshipping them.
    It's an unhealthy relationship.


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  • From HusTler@VERT/XBITBBS to Arelor on Fri May 26 09:42:13 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Arelor to Moondog on Fri May 26 2023 01:44 am

    be a lasting thing. If you crush a friendship for the sake of a romantic relationship you are destroying something that took a lot of effort to built and had a lot of potential for something that will likely break in the mediu run.

    Are you saying don't marry a friend? Don't have sex with your friend? Don't make friends with someone your not attracted to? WHat?

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  • From Phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Moondog on Sat May 27 05:22:37 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Moondog to esc on Fri May 26 2023 07:53 am

    I had one friend I became distant with because after he got married, he was only "allowed" to socialize with other married men, or couples. It

    Hm, You got me thinking. At least they are being "up front" about it. Is that better than a significant other sabotaging friendships/relationships one by one after the marriage? Maybe. So, could be worse.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to HusTler on Sat May 27 07:30:34 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: HusTler to Arelor on Fri May 26 2023 09:42 am

    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Arelor to Moondog on Fri May 26 2023 01:44 am

    be a lasting thing. If you crush a friendship for the sake of a romantic relationship you are destroying something that took a lot of effort to bu > > and had a lot of potential for something that will likely break in the me > > run.

    Are you saying don't marry a friend? Don't have sex with your friend? Don't > make friends with someone your not attracted to? WHat?

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    I am saying it you get into a romantic relationship, you musn't overinvest in it to the point you lose friends you already had.

    I say this because I see this often and it rarely ends well. The romantic relationship ends and then you are left without romance and without friends.

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  • From Hustler@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Sat May 27 04:29:41 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Moondog to esc on Fri May 26 2023 07:53 am

    I had one friend I became distant with because after he got married, he was only "allowed" to socialize with other married men, or couples. It
    like to meet at a bar and have a few drinks, and he would say his wife won't let him. I would go anyways, and he and his wife would show up and not come

    This is the exact reason why I'm no longer married and divorced 30plus years! Nobody tells me what I can and can't do. Pussy whipped men really make me sick.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Arelor on Sat May 27 09:26:00 2023
    Arelor wrote to HusTler <=-

    be a lasting thing. If you crush a friendship for the sake of a romantic relationship you are destroying something that took a lot of effort to bu and had a lot of potential for something that will likely break in the me

    Are you saying don't marry a friend? Don't have sex with your friend? Don't make friends with someone your not attracted to? WHat?

    I am saying it you get into a romantic relationship, you musn't
    overinvest in it to the point you lose friends you already had.

    I say this because I see this often and it rarely ends well. The
    romantic relationship ends and then you are left without romance
    and without friends.

    Hmmmm..... is it possible that the romantic relationship ends *BECAUSE*
    you didn't "overinvest" in it? Or, perhaps didn't invest *enough*
    because you were being careful to not overinvest?

    Methinks that is not only possible, but likely.



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  • From esc@VERT/MONTEREY to Gamgee on Sat May 27 12:18:00 2023
    Hmmmm..... is it possible that the romantic relationship ends *BECAUSE* you didn't "overinvest" in it? Or, perhaps didn't invest *enough* because you were being careful to not overinvest?

    Methinks that is not only possible, but likely.

    I think we have a winner!

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Gamgee on Sat May 27 20:19:12 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Gamgee to Arelor on Sat May 27 2023 09:26 am

    Hmmmm..... is it possible that the romantic relationship ends *BECAUSE*
    you didn't "overinvest" in it? Or, perhaps didn't invest *enough*
    because you were being careful to not overinvest?

    The relationship will crash if you don't invest enough in it (for good reason). Still I know a bunch of cases of people who clearly overinvest and then get dumped, or used up until there is nothing to take advantage of.

    Relationships are an investment, so don't spend more on them than you expect toget.

    They are turbulent times and assets in the market are very low quality. Preserving your capital is primordial. It is not worth wasting it in high-risk operations.



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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Moondog on Sat May 27 20:46:27 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Moondog to MRO on Sat May 27 2023 11:25 am

    This reminded me of somethn I heard on the radio, I think it was called monkey branching. Men and women both do it, but women do it way more.

    Some prize being in a relationship way more than being single, and even though they are in a good relationship they'll shop for a"second best" choic > to fall back on if the relationship fails. It's named for how monkeys move
    from branch to branch in the wild, never letting go of the first branch unti > they successfully grasp onto the next.

    This is failure of a relationship waiting to happen, since the person is already predicting the relationship will fail by setting up another possible > mate as backup. It is considered cheating at an emotional level.


    I suspect that people doing that value the idea of being in a relationship but don't care that much about the relationship they are in. Id est: they want to be in a relationship but who they are involved with is secondary.

    Some relatives and friends of mine come to mind.

    My hipothesis is current social presure drives a lot of this behavior. There isa heavy push from a lot of people. Lots of guys use relationships as a way to
    validate they are "somebody", but implicit in that position is the idea that ifyou are not in one you are worthless.

    "The new tech knows the trade. We had just 30 seconds of downtime after the crash"

    "Yeah, he might be an ace, but I bet he's never kissed a girl".

    If peer preasure comes strong enough, then you may feel you need a relationshipjust because your social standing will suck if you aren't. Under those
    circumpstances, being in a relationship is a goal in itself and having a viableplan B to jump into a new relationship if the current one fails is more
    important that having a healthy A relationship.





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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to esc on Sat May 27 21:09:47 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: esc to Gamgee on Sat May 27 2023 12:18 pm

    Hmmmm..... is it possible that the romantic relationship ends *BECAUSE* > Ga> you didn't "overinvest" in it? Or, perhaps didn't invest *enough*
    because you were being careful to not overinvest?

    Methinks that is not only possible, but likely.

    I think we have a winner!

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    I suspect there are more overinvested relationships that go wrong than relationships that break because of underinvestment.

    There are lots of failure modes for relationships. A terrifyingly common one isfinding yourself in an unhappy marriage with three kids and a mortage to pay.
    You placed too many emotional assets in the relationship to be able to withdrawby the point you realize the whole thing is a failure.

    When I compare that to relationships I know of that failed from underinvestment, I think I would rather underinvest 10 times that overinvest one.

    Let's see about some recent examples around me:

    * Guy gets involved with gal in a casual relationship. Gal has a kid from a boyfriend she had when she was 16. Gal wants to move into guy's house with the kid. Guy hates kids but agrees under the condition that he won't have to play arole as father. Relationship crashes because gal wants guy to be the new fatherfor the kid.

    * Guy with outstanding salary gets involved with a gal with high level of studies but no job. They have a healthy relationship but the gal wants to step to the next level, buy a house and move in together. Guy likes the idea, but says he'd rather wait for her to get a job so they can buy the house with two salaries (instead of having him do all the buying with his own money). 9 years later, the gal still has no job and warns they either move in together or the relationship is over. Guy drops from the relationship because he does not want to be the only one pumping money into the whole thing.

    From the point of view of both those guys, it is GREAT the relationships crashed. Had they paid the prices the gals demmanded, chances are they would have found themselves in the overinvestment scenario described earlier; one forced to raise a kid he didn't want to raise, the other trapped with a dependant woman unable to secure a job in 9 years.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Phigan on Sat May 27 20:34:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Phigan to Moondog on Sat May 27 2023 05:22 am

    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Moondog to esc on Fri May 26 2023 07:53 am

    I had one friend I became distant with because after he got married, he w only "allowed" to socialize with other married men, or couples. It

    Hm, You got me thinking. At least they are being "up front" about it. Is tha

    It sounds like a silly rule, because it is not based on anything tangible. I would talk to him sometimes and he would mention how he cannot stand these "co uples" he and his wife hang out with. They're people he doesn't share common ground or ideas with, and the only thing they have in common is they are in a relationship. It sounds like some pretentious bullshit he is asked to go through the motions.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Gamgee on Sat May 27 20:50:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Gamgee to Arelor on Sat May 27 2023 09:26 am

    Arelor wrote to HusTler <=-

    be a lasting thing. If you crush a friendship for the sake of a romant relationship you are destroying something that took a lot of effort to and had a lot of potential for something that will likely break in the

    Are you saying don't marry a friend? Don't have sex with your friend? Do make friends with someone your not attracted to? WHat?

    I am saying it you get into a romantic relationship, you musn't overinvest in it to the point you lose friends you already had.

    I say this because I see this often and it rarely ends well. The romantic relationship ends and then you are left without romance
    and without friends.

    Hmmmm..... is it possible that the romantic relationship ends *BECAUSE*
    you didn't "overinvest" in it? Or, perhaps didn't invest *enough*
    because you were being careful to not overinvest?

    Methinks that is not only possible, but likely.



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    in to some expectation that is not real?


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Arelor on Sun May 28 08:12:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Arelor to Moondog on Sat May 27 2023 08:46 pm

    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Moondog to MRO on Sat May 27 2023 11:25 am

    This reminded me of somethn I heard on the radio, I think it was called monkey branching. Men and women both do it, but women do it way more.

    Some prize being in a relationship way more than being single, and even though they are in a good relationship they'll shop for a"second best" ch from branch to branch in the wild, never letting go of the first branch u

    This is failure of a relationship waiting to happen, since the person is already predicting the relationship will fail by setting up another possi


    I suspect that people doing that value the idea of being in a relationship b don't care that much about the relationship they are in. Id est: they want t be in a relationship but who they are involved with is secondary.

    Some relatives and friends of mine come to mind.

    My hipothesis is current social presure drives a lot of this behavior. There validate they are "somebody", but implicit in that position is the idea that

    "The new tech knows the trade. We had just 30 seconds of downtime after the crash"

    "Yeah, he might be an ace, but I bet he's never kissed a girl".

    If peer preasure comes strong enough, then you may feel you need a relations circumpstances, being in a relationship is a goal in itself and having a via important that having a healthy A relationship.





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    Interesting look at relationships. I get the impression monkey branching is more internal emotional comfort vs external social pressure. I would not discount some relationships that appear to be out of convenience or social status.

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  • From Phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Moondog on Sun May 28 11:47:43 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Moondog to Phigan on Sat May 27 2023 08:34 pm

    share common ground or ideas with, and the only thing they have in common is they are in a relationship. It sounds like some pretentious bullshit he is asked to go through the motions.

    Damn, that better be some SUPER good tang.. and bjs. In fact that second one is probably more important. Maybe she just gives really good bjs.

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  • From Dunsen@VERT/HOVAL to Dumas Walker on Sun May 28 14:25:33 2023
    Re: Young People
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Thu Apr 20 2023 06:47 pm

    I was reading an article just today that implies that younger people > > DW> not as likely to be working, or looking for work, at all, so there is > > DW> that.

    How do they expect to pay their bills & things without an income?

    Live with their parents I guess.

    It also talked about how a lower percentage of young people know how to drive.


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    Hey. Was trying to find the original message, but couldn't find it. So, I'll reply to this one.

    Anyway, as a college student, I still live with family as it's too damn expensive to get a house here in SF. As with jobs, I've been working at a candyshop during holidays most of the time. Decent wage, so trying to save up money.Also have been practicing driving periodically for about a year (only have a
    permit).Enjoying the experience so far.

    Of course, I'm only one young person. The average life of a young adult could look different than mine. But for my life, it's been alright.

    /s
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  • From esc@VERT/MONTEREY to Phigan on Sun May 28 16:10:00 2023
    Damn, that better be some SUPER good tang.. and bjs. In fact that second one is probably more important. Maybe she just gives really good bjs.

    You guys are aware there are some females that BBS, right? How would you feel if your mother or sister was hanging around in a group and they started talking like this?

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  • From Phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to esc on Mon May 29 00:18:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: esc to Phigan on Sun May 28 2023 04:10 pm

    You guys are aware there are some females that BBS, right? How would you feel if your mother or sister was hanging around in a group and they started talking like this?

    They'd probably agree! Even if they were the type we're talking about.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Phigan on Mon May 29 07:25:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Phigan to Moondog on Sun May 28 2023 11:47 am

    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Moondog to Phigan on Sat May 27 2023 08:34 pm

    share common ground or ideas with, and the only thing they have in common they are in a relationship. It sounds like some pretentious bullshit he asked to go through the motions.

    Damn, that better be some SUPER good tang.. and bjs. In fact that second one

    The idea of a purely physical relationship isn't hard to dismiss. I used to work with a dude had no qualms on cheating on his wife after they had a
    child. I don't think she lost physical interest completely, but to her it was certainly a lesser part of the relationship. The marriage didn't last. I
    got the impression he was not the type to sit home and watch TV or do
    anything with his wife unless he was expecting it to lead to physical gratification.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DUNSEN on Mon May 29 09:56:00 2023
    Anyway, as a college student, I still live with family as it's too damn expensive to get a house here in SF. As with jobs, I've been working at a cand
    hop during holidays most of the time. Decent wage, so trying to save up money.
    so have been practicing driving periodically for about a year (only have a permit).Enjoying the experience so far.

    I can sympathize with being a college student being expensive. It was when
    I went, long ago, I cannot imagine what it is like now. Good for you also
    for getting a job to cover expenses, and saving money. I worked part time in
    a library while in college, and also mowed lawns on the side. The part time job barely paid over minimum wage, and I took longer than 4 years to finish, but I made it.

    Of course, I'm only one young person. The average life of a young adult could look different than mine. But for my life, it's been alright.

    On the surface, it sounds like you are doing alright. <thumbs up>


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to All on Mon May 29 10:50:00 2023
    All I can say is that I'm glad I'm married. I don't know how I'd manage
    dating in this reality.

    I see "dates" on their phones at restaurants and wonder why the hell
    people bother?



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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 30 02:38:32 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to All on Mon May 29 2023 10:50 am

    I see "dates" on their phones at restaurants and wonder why the hell
    people bother?


    I suspect a number of the Tinder ones are just going through the motions and expecting a fuck in the end.

    For a whole lot of people, dating or being in relationships is a social position thing.

    Not many people is getting committing seriously.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 30 15:16:07 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to All on Mon May 29 2023 10:50 am

    Speaking of dating in this reality, I was reading an article about the Golden Penis Syndrome.

    The idea is that colleges in which the woman-to-man ratio is skyrocketing are seeing a phenomenon in which it is hard for women to get a date, because men are scarce and can be picky.

    Complaints are that men in those situation start being selective, thinking theyare better than they are, they get rude and start applying ugly dating tactics
    (such as ghosting and dumping gals as they see fit).

    I was lautghing my ass off while reading it because ruthless dating behavior isexactly what you get from gals everywhere the situation is reversed.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 30 15:20:24 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to All on Mon May 29 2023 10:50 am

    Also, I was reading a Spanish newspaper talking about a study which treated on the causes why people in general is having less sex. Finantial insecurity and feminist empowerment were listed as causes.

    That said, once you started reading the actual data you found interesting pieces of information.

    A whole lot of people is having unsatisfying sex. This is to the point that lots of men (who have a hard time scoring dates) just skip it as something thattakes too much time and effort and then does not deliver. Women also report a
    lot of insatisfaction.

    Then there is the fact ltos of women consider they have the control and won't settle for a lesser man.

    If you add the fact less men are taking the effort with the fact less women arehunting for somebody worse than Brad Pitt, you can see where this is leading.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Arelor on Wed May 31 10:21:00 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Arelor to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 30 2023 03:16 pm

    Re: Re: Young People
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to All on Mon May 29 2023 10:50 am

    Speaking of dating in this reality, I was reading an article about the Golde Penis Syndrome.

    The idea is that colleges in which the woman-to-man ratio is skyrocketing ar seeing a phenomenon in which it is hard for women to get a date, because men are scarce and can be picky.

    Complaints are that men in those situation start being selective, thinking t (such as ghosting and dumping gals as they see fit).

    I was lautghing my ass off while reading it because ruthless dating behavior

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    This reminds me of a theory I read regarding the prolific number of blonde
    hair and gingers in Northen Europe versus other places in the world. During the ice age being a hunter-gather was a hard existence, and women outnumbered men 7 to 1 due to shorter life spans of men at the time. In order for a
    woman to attract a mate, something about her appearance would have to make
    her stick out. Blonde and red hair were mutations that had a positive
    result, which would guarantee being passed on.

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  • From Margaerynne@VERT/PALANTIR to Arelor on Thu Jun 1 11:04:18 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Arelor to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 30 2023 03:20 pm

    Also, I was reading a Spanish newspaper talking about a study which treated on the causes why people in general is
    having less sex. Finantial insecurity and feminist empowerment were listed as causes.

    For us, it's because we're tired at the end of the day, and

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  • From Margaerynne@VERT/PALANTIR to Arelor on Thu Jun 1 11:07:06 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Margaerynne to Arelor on Thu Jun 01 2023 11:04 am

    > Also, I was reading a Spanish newspaper talking about a study which treated on the causes why people in general
    > is
    > having less sex. Finantial insecurity and feminist empowerment were listed as causes.

    For us, it's because we're tired at the end of the day, and there are other things to do.
    Why go through the rigamarole of bored sex when you can turn your brain off instead?

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  • From Porosz@VERT/AMIGAC to HusTler on Sun Aug 27 18:53:25 2023
    Re: Re: Young People
    By: HusTler to Arelor on Fri May 26 2023 09:42:13

    Re: Re: Young People
    By: Arelor to Moondog on Fri May 26 2023 01:44 am

    be a lasting thing. If you crush a friendship for the sake of a romantic relationship you are destroying something that took a lot of effort to built and had a lot of potential for something that will likely break in the mediu run.

    Are you saying don't marry a friend? Don't have sex with your friend? Don't make friends with someone your not attracted to? WHat?

    ... 1024x768x256... Sounds like one MEAN woman!

    AND that was 35 seconds --- not like you wan to live in a garage or a musesum

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