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    From August Abolins@2:460/58 to Brother Rabbit on Sun Oct 11 16:33:10 2020
    Do not rush. Not working yet.

    I mean the whole concept of the gate. With my pc down, I can't even access the info for manual logins (via Netrunner) to a BBS. But with Telegram, I can be at any device and participate in some echos of interest.


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  • From Brother Rabbit@2:460/58 to August Abolins on Sun Oct 11 17:03:10 2020
    I mean the whole concept of the gate. With my pc down, I can't even access the info for manual logins (via Netrunner) to a BBS. But with Telegram, I can be at any device and participate in some echos of interest.

    Yes. It is useful


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  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/5858 to August Abolins on Sun Oct 11 17:03:30 2020
    Hi, August!

    11 окт 20 16:33, August Abolins -> Brother Rabbit:

    Do not rush. Not working yet.

    I mean the whole concept of the gate. With my pc down, I can't even access the info for manual logins (via Netrunner) to a BBS. But with Telegram, I can be at any device and participate in some echos of interest.

    It's alive! It's working. ;)

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

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  • From Chuck Pierson@2:221/6 to Stas Mishchenkov on Sun Oct 11 17:09:14 2020
    Hello, Stas Mishchenkov - August Abolins.
    On 10/11/20 9:03 AM you wrote:

    I mean the whole concept of the gate. With my pc down, I can't
    even AA> access the info for manual logins (via Netrunner) to a BBS.
    But with AA> Telegram, I can be at any device and participate in
    some echos of AA> interest. It's alive! It's working. ;)

    Interesting. I actually saw this message here before I got the Telegram notification.

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  • From August Abolins@2:460/58 to Chuck Pierson on Sun Oct 11 17:18:11 2020
    Answering a msg from Chuck Pierson:
    Hello, Stas Mishchenkov - August Abolins.
    On 10/11/20 9:03 AM you wrote:

    I mean the whole concept of the gate. With my pc down, I can't
    even AA> access the info for manual logins (via Netrunner) to a BBS.
    But with AA> Telegram, I can be at any device and participate in
    some echos of AA> interest. It's alive! It's working. ;)

    Interesting. I actually saw this message here before I got the Telegram >notification.

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    Stas probably turned on the gate, processed a few backlog msgs, and then posted his announcement?


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  • From August Abolins@2:460/58 to Brother Rabbit on Sun Oct 11 17:21:10 2020
    Yes. It is useful

    Even the whole idea of just installing TgM on another device is a simple matter to "activate" and all the groups carry over. If BBSs has something similar (verification via email or txt) that would get me up and running. The way it is now, all the login info and pwds are inaccessible on the pc that is "down".


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  • From August Abolins@2:333/808.7 to Chuck Pierson on Sun Oct 11 17:19:56 2020
    Sveiks Chuck!

    11 Oct 20 17:09, you wrote to Stas Mishchenkov:

    It's alive! It's working. ;)

    Interesting. I actually saw this message here before I got the
    Telegram notification.

    It arrived in Italy. :)



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  • From Charles Pierson@2:240/1120.976 to August Abolins on Sun Oct 11 10:46:39 2020
    Hello, August Abolins.
    On 10/11/20 5:21 PM you wrote:

    Yes. It is useful
    Even the whole idea of just installing TgM on another device is a
    simple matter to "activate" and all the groups carry over. If
    BBSs has something similar (verification via email or txt) that
    would get me up and running. The way it is now, all the login info
    and pwds are inaccessible on the pc that is "down".

    Unfortunately, as has been repeatedly told to me elsewhere, the BBS message system doesn't work well for using a single ID (point, user ID, what have you) from multiple systems. You can log in from pretty much anywhere, as long as you recall your info.

    I don't think that's going to change real soon. Or if it's possible without a full redo of the whole system.

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Charles Pierson on Sun Oct 11 19:31:23 2020
    On 11/10/2020 3:46 a.m., Charles Pierson : August Abolins wrote:


    ...If BBSs has something similar
    (verification via email or txt) that would get me up and
    running. The way it is now, all the login info and pwds
    are inaccessible on the pc that is "down".

    Unfortunately, as has been repeatedly told to me
    elsewhere, the BBS message system doesn't work well for
    using a single ID (point, user ID, what have you) from
    multiple systems. You can log in from pretty much
    anywhere, as long as you recall your info.

    Being a point or not is not the problem. For now, I can use my NNTP
    setup from another PC (which I am obviously doing now). However,
    it's not a portable PC. But if there was a way to recall my login
    credentials, I could then setup up Thunderbird (TB) and NNTP easier
    on an alternate laptop.


    I don't think that's going to change real soon. Or if it's
    possible without a full redo of the whole system.

    Even a "recall login credentials" feature via email would be nice.

    TB is configured to "always request authentication", but there is no
    local file that I can access to decode what the pw is.

    With Veleno BBS (the webpoint solution) the credentials are saved in
    Firefox's "Saved passwords". That makes it easy to recall and copy
    for login on a replacement laptop.



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  • From Charles Pierson@2:240/1120.976 to August Abolins on Sun Oct 11 12:22:26 2020
    Hello, August Abolins.
    On 10/11/20 7:31 PM you wrote:

    Even a "recall login credentials" feature via email would be nice.

    Any regular BBS logins, I'm hosed if I can't remember them, except the one I use testing out Telnet clients.
    Any points or NNTP connections I have the emails confirming my set up information is saved in a folder that can be accessed from any device.

    I do think some BBSes at least do have a "forgot password" type option that involves email.

    TB is configured to "always request authentication", but there is
    no local file that I can access to decode what the pw is.

    I actually wish TB had an Android version. That's always been my favorite email program.

    With Veleno BBS (the webpoint solution) the credentials are saved
    in Firefox's "Saved passwords". That makes it easy to recall and
    copy for login on a replacement laptop.

    Yeah, that definitely is a nice feature.


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  • From August Abolins@2:333/808.7 to Charles Pierson on Sun Oct 11 20:01:42 2020
    Sveiks Charles!

    11 Oct 20 12:22, you wrote to me:

    Even a "recall login credentials" feature via email would be
    nice.

    Any regular BBS logins, I'm hosed if I can't remember them, except the
    one I use testing out Telnet clients. Any points or NNTP connections I have the emails confirming my set up information is saved in a folder
    that can be accessed from any device.

    I guess you use the cloud for that? Even a copy of the credentials stored in a gmail folder could work.


    I do think some BBSes at least do have a "forgot password" type option that involves email.

    I *think* I've seen that on a couple. It could certainly be a selling point for a BBS. Without it, the user might just decide WTF and not bother.

    With Veleno BBS (the webpoint solution) the credentials are saved
    in Firefox's "Saved passwords". That makes it easy to recall and
    copy for login on a replacement laptop.

    Yeah, that definitely is a nice feature.

    I'm now preoccupied copying the Firefox login creds for some of the online web resources I use for the bookshop for placing orders. What a horrible task. That, on top of other things I need to do today is driving me up the wall. ...All because in iddy biddy fan decides not to cooperate. :( I may muster the courage to disassemble the laptop and at least try to clean the fan and add some lube later.


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  • From Charles Pierson@2:240/1120.976 to August Abolins on Sun Oct 11 13:38:52 2020
    Hello, August Abolins.
    On 10/11/20 8:01 PM you wrote:

    I guess you use the cloud for that? Even a copy of the
    credentials stored in a gmail folder could work.

    they're actually the email folder. I use a couple of different webmail type services. They're handy.

    I do think some BBSes at least do have a "forgot password" type
    option that involves email.
    I *think* I've seen that on a couple. It could certainly be a
    selling point for a BBS. Without it, the user might just decide
    WTF and not bother.

    It's either direct email, or a message tp the sysop, who can contact you via email assuming email is in your profile.

    With Veleno BBS (the webpoint solution) the credentials are
    saved in Firefox's "Saved passwords". That makes it easy to
    recall and copy for login on a replacement laptop.
    Yeah, that definitely is a nice feature.
    I'm now preoccupied copying the Firefox login creds for some of
    the online web resources I use for the bookshop for placing
    orders. What a horrible task. That, on top of other things I need
    to do today is driving me up the wall. ...All because in iddy
    biddy fan decides not to cooperate. :( I may muster the courage
    to disassemble the laptop and at least try to clean the fan and
    add some lube later.

    So you use the laptop for work?

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  • From August Abolins@2:333/808.7 to Charles Pierson on Sun Oct 11 21:08:38 2020
    Hi Charles!
    11 Oct 20 13:38, you wrote to me:

    they're actually the email folder. I use a couple of different webmail type services. They're handy.

    I should have had the decipline to "store" the various creds in ONE online place. I guess I simply put too much faith into the hardware to not break.

    I do think some BBSes at least do have a "forgot password"..

    ...Without it, the user might just decide
    WTF and not bother.

    It's either direct email, or a message tp the sysop, who can contact
    you via email assuming email is in your profile.

    I know... but the TZ difference could render the wait as big inconvenience. Something automated/self-serve would be good.


    I'm now preoccupied copying the Firefox login creds for some of
    the online web resources I use for the bookshop for placing
    orders. What a horrible task. That, on top of other things..

    So you use the laptop for work?

    That T60 laptop (my only laptop at the time) was the machine I carried around to do computer support work (using a mobile dongle to get internet) for at-home visits. Along the way, I adapted it to working at home to finish bookshop database things (MS Office Acess). It is configured so that all I have to do is copy the database file back and forth from a USB stick that I carry between shop and home.

    But with the T60 down, I don't have an @home pc for that.

    I have MS Access on an another desktop stored at the shop, but I don't feel like lugging that whole thing home and rearraging my workspace at home to use it.

    I opened the T60 last night to remove the keyboard to expose the fan/heatsink. But it requires more "screw"ing around to get to the fan. Not fun for me.

    If I can motivate myself, it would be worth a try to clean and lube the existing fan (unless it is an unserviceable design) ..and maybe get back online before the new replacement fan arrives in 2 weeks.

    I have a T540p from February.. but I never got around to moving the salient progs over to it. When the covid thing hit, I had to wonder what's the rush.


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  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Charles Pierson on Sun Oct 11 22:44:57 2020
    On 11/10/2020 5:22 a.m., Charles Pierson : August Abolins wrote:

    I actually wish TB had an Android version. That's always
    been my favorite email program.

    Another nice thing about TB is the available Enigmail plugin to add
    PGP/GPG encryption support. That's forward thinking from the TB folks.

    Sometimes I need to "send" info to myself from the shop to home and
    I don't want anyone else to see it. I can send it with confidence
    encrypted from the TB installation at the shop, and decrypt it from
    home. It's just really nice to manage truly private messages.



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  • From Charles Pierson@2:221/6 to August Abolins on Sun Oct 11 22:44:20 2020
    Hello, August Abolins - Charles Pierson.
    On 10/11/20 1:08 PM you wrote:

    I should have had the decipline to "store" the various creds in ONE
    online place. I guess I simply put too much faith into the hardware
    to not break.

    I had a very bad habit of not making backups for a long time. And then
    would experiment with various software and crash my system.

    Same kind of thing.

    I do think some BBSes at least do have a "forgot password"..
    ...Without it, the user might just decide AA>> WTF and not
    bother. CP> It's either direct email, or a message tp the sysop, who
    can contact CP> you via email assuming email is in your profile. I
    know... but the TZ difference could render the wait as big
    inconvenience. Something automated/self-serve would be good. AA>>
    I'm now preoccupied copying the Firefox login creds for some of AA>>
    the online web resources I use for the bookshop for placing AA>>
    orders. What a horrible task. That, on top of other things.. CP> So
    you use the laptop for work? That T60 laptop (my only laptop at the
    time) was the machine I carried around to do computer support work
    (using a mobile dongle to get internet) for at-home visits. Along
    the way, I adapted it to working at home to finish bookshop database
    things (MS Office Acess). It is configured so that all I have to do
    is copy the database file back and forth from a USB stick that I
    carry between shop and home. But with the T60 down, I don't have an
    @home pc for that. I have MS Access on an another desktop stored at
    the shop, but I don't feel like lugging that whole thing home and
    rearraging my workspace at home to use it. I opened the T60 last
    night to remove the keyboard to expose the fan/heatsink. But it
    requires more "screw"ing around to get to the fan. Not fun for me.
    If I can motivate myself, it would be worth a try to clean and lube
    the existing fan (unless it is an unserviceable design) ..and maybe
    get back online before the new replacement fan arrives in 2 weeks. I
    have a T540p from February.. but I never got around to moving the
    salient progs over to it. When the covid thing hit, I had to wonder
    what's the rush. --- * Origin: ----> Point Of VeleNo BBs (http://www.velenobbs.net) (2:333/808.7)

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  • From Richard Miles@1:3634/24 to Charles Pierson on Sun Oct 11 16:22:03 2020
    On 11 Oct 2020, Charles Pierson said the following...

    It's either direct email, or a message tp the sysop, who can contact you via email assuming email is in your profile.

    I know you can do it with Mystic (I use it here) provided you've supplied an actual real email address. I find about 10% of new folks do and the rest just put junk.

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  • From Charles Pierson@2:240/1120.976 to Richard Miles on Sun Oct 11 16:44:50 2020
    Hello, Richard Miles.
    On 10/11/20 4:22 PM you wrote:

    On 11 Oct 2020, Charles Pierson said the following...
    It's either direct email, or a message tp the sysop, who can
    contact you via email assuming email is in your profile.
    I know you can do it with Mystic (I use it here) provided you've
    supplied an actual real email address. I find about 10% of new
    folks do and the rest just put junk.

    I think it was Mystic boards I waa thinking about in particular, but I believe others have the same kind of thing.

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  • From August Abolins@2:333/808.7 to Charles Pierson on Mon Oct 12 14:19:10 2020
    Hi Charles!
    11 Oct 20 22:44, you wrote to me:

    I had a very bad habit of not making backups for a long time. And
    then would experiment with various software and crash my system.

    Same kind of thing.

    Yes, but I don't experiment with my pcs. I treat them as appliances and expect them to work. Even if I *did* backup the T60 contents, there would be no option to restore it anywhere else anyway. :( I purchased PCMover Professional a few months ago with the idea of migrating my whole operation to the T540p, but I never followed through. I'm already witnessing the inconvenience of not having my speccial programs on the T540p. (AnyAudioConverter, Audacity, IrfanView, etc..) What a pain to find and reinstall from scratch. One thing that PCMover promised is migrating my licensed copy of MO Office 2007 - that is the main thing really.

    It's a holiday Monday here, so I may get the courage to disassemble the T60 and dig out the fan. Never did that before and I've never cleaned and lubed a fan.



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  • From Charles Pierson@2:221/6 to August Abolins on Mon Oct 12 16:01:50 2020
    Hello, August Abolins - Charles Pierson.
    On 10/12/20 6:19 AM you wrote:

    Yes, but I don't experiment with my pcs. I treat them as appliances
    and expect them to work. Even if I *did* backup the T60 contents,
    there would be no option to restore it anywhere else anyway. :( I
    purchased PCMover Professional a few months ago with the idea of
    migrating my whole operation to the T540p, but I never followed
    through. I'm already witnessing the inconvenience of not having my
    speccial programs on the T540p. (AnyAudioConverter, Audacity,
    IrfanView, etc..) What a pain to find and reinstall from scratch.
    One thing that PCMover promised is migrating my licensed copy of MO
    Office 2007 - that is the main thing really.

    That's interesting you call pcs an appliance. I saw the same expression earlier in a totally different conversation.

    I see computers, phones, even applications for them as tools. And I want
    to see all of the options for my tools. It might involve swapping
    around hardware configurations, or testing new software, or trying to
    use software in a way it wasn't necessarily designed for on equipment it
    wasn't made for.

    It's a holiday Monday here, so I may get the courage to disassemble
    the T60 and dig out the fan. Never did that before and I've never
    cleaned and lubed a fan. --- * Origin: ----> Point Of VeleNo BBs (http://www.velenobbs.net) (2:333/808.7)

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  • From August Abolins@2:333/808.7 to Charles Pierson on Mon Oct 12 15:37:59 2020
    Hi Charles!
    12 Oct 20 16:01, you wrote to me:

    Yes, but I don't experiment with my pcs. I treat them as appliances
    and expect them to work. Even if I *did* backup the T60 contents,
    there would be no option to restore it anywhere else anyway. :( I

    That's interesting you call pcs an appliance. I saw the same
    expression earlier in a totally different conversation.

    Hehehheheh. I think I know which one you mean. :)

    Ok.. Maybe appliance is not a good term. My T60 has grown into a quite a customized machine with all the progs that I need. I sure miss them while I am using the T540p right now. But I don't fiddle with (drivers, config, etc..) making my pcs do anything beyond the norm.

    I see computers, phones, even applications for them as tools. And I
    want to see all of the options for my tools. It might involve
    swapping around hardware configurations, or testing new software, or trying to use software in a way it wasn't necessarily designed for on equipment it wasn't made for.

    OK.. The T60 is an appliance with all the "tools" I need! LOL

    Your experimentation, although noble, is not something I would even attempt with the T60. The closest I've come to messing with normal operations on the T60 would be live-CD boots of a linux distro that I am curious about. On the T60, I can Hibernate the current Windows session and boot something else from CD or USB.

    ..A

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  • From Charles Pierson@2:240/1120.976 to August Abolins on Mon Oct 12 09:37:31 2020
    Hello, August Abolins.
    On 10/12/20 3:37 PM you wrote:

    Hi Charles! 12 Oct 20 16:01, you wrote to me:
    Yes, but I don't experiment with my pcs. I treat them as
    appliances and expect them to work. Even if I *did* backup the
    T60 contents, there would be no option to restore it anywhere
    else anyway. :( I
    That's interesting you call pcs an appliance. I saw the same
    expression earlier in a totally different conversation.
    Hehehheheh. I think I know which one you mean. :)

    Likely you do.

    Ok.. Maybe appliance is not a good term. My T60 has grown into a
    quite a customized machine with all the progs that I need. I sure
    miss them while I am using the T540p right now. But I don't
    fiddle with (drivers, config, etc..) making my pcs do anything
    beyond the norm.

    I can certainly understand that. From what I am learning about you. Your laptop is essential to your business. I'd likely be more careful if my pc's were as well.

    I see computers, phones, even applications for them as tools. And
    I want to see all of the options for my tools. It might involve
    swapping around hardware configurations, or testing new software,
    or trying to use software in a way it wasn't necessarily designed
    for on equipment it wasn't made for.
    OK.. The T60 is an appliance with all the "tools" I need! LOL

    Perfectly fine.

    Your experimentation, although noble, is not something I would
    even attempt with the T60. The closest I've come to messing with
    normal operations on the T60 would be live-CD boots of a linux
    distro that I am curious about. On the T60, I can Hibernate the
    current Windows session and boot something else from CD or USB.

    As I said, your computers are more vital to your business than mine. Completely unde4standable.

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