• At long last, the world's most powerful space telescope is ready to lau

    From Erich B.@1:103/705 to All on Thu Dec 23 16:06:08 2021
    Decades of tension, debate, and determination have led to this moment, as the James Webb Space Telescope begins its million-mile journey into deep space.

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/at-long-last-the-james-webb- space-telescope-is-ready-to-launch

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Erich B. on Thu Dec 23 19:55:00 2021
    Hello Erich B.!

    ** On Thursday 23.12.21 - 16:06, Erich B. wrote to All:

    Decades of tension, debate, and determination have led to
    this moment, as the James Webb Space Telescope begins its
    million-mile journey into deep space.

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/at-
    long-last-the-james -webb- space-telescope-is-ready-to-
    launch

    What is that one supposed to do besides litter space with more
    junk? :/ What is the "debate", and why "tension"?

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Fri Dec 24 12:14:24 2021
    Hi August,

    On 2021-12-23 19:55:00, you wrote to Erich B.:

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/at-
    long-last-the-james -webb- space-telescope-is-ready-to-
    launch

    What is that one supposed to do besides litter space with more
    junk? :/ What is the "debate", and why "tension"?

    It won't be in orbit around the earth, so no pollution of orbit space.
    It's kind of the successor of the Hubble space telescope.
    It will see things never seen before.
    It has cost about 10 Billion so far. 10 times more than estimated.
    Because of it's place in space it can't be repaired once launched.
    Because of it's size it's folded up inside the launch rocket, and needs to be deployed after launch.
    So a lot can go wrong, and for that price, and the possible return in science data is so high, people are very anxious/exited about the launch, and deployement fase...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Sat Dec 25 14:16:01 2021
    Hi August,

    On 2021-12-24 12:14:24, I wrote to you:

    What is that one supposed to do besides litter space with more
    junk? :/ What is the "debate", and why "tension"?

    It won't be in orbit around the earth, so no pollution of orbit space. It's kind of the successor of the Hubble space telescope.
    It will see things never seen before.
    It has cost about 10 Billion so far. 10 times more than estimated. Because of it's place in space it can't be repaired once launched. Because of it's size it's folded up inside the launch rocket, and needs to
    be deployed after launch. So a lot can go wrong, and for that price, and the possible return in science data is so high, people are very anxious/exited about the launch, and deployement fase...

    Launch was a success! It's now in its preliminary orbit around the earth...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From August Abolins@2:460/256 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Dec 25 16:59:40 2021
    Hi Wilfred...

    Hi August,
    On 2021-12-24 12:14:24, I wrote to you:
    It won't be in orbit around the earth, so no pollution of orbit space.
    It's kind of the successor of the Hubble space telescope.
    It will see things never seen before.
    It has cost about 10 Billion so far. 10 times more than estimated.
    Because of it's place in space it can't be repaired once launched.
    Because of it's size it's folded up inside the launch rocket, and needs to
    be deployed after launch. So a lot can go wrong, and for that price, and
    the possible return in science data is so high, people are very
    anxious/exited about the launch, and deployement fase...
    Launch was a success! It's now in its preliminary orbit around the earth...
    Bye, Wilfred.

    When are the first results (data, images) supposed to occur?

    Ciao!
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Sat Dec 25 15:24:15 2021
    Hi August,

    On 2021-12-25 16:59:40, you wrote to me:

    Launch was a success! It's now in its preliminary orbit around the
    earth... Bye, Wilfred.

    When are the first results (data, images) supposed to occur?

    In about half a year...

    Btw: It's now already way past (@48km's) the orbit of geostationairy satelites (which is about 35,7 km above the earths surface).

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to All on Sun Dec 26 13:35:05 2021
    * Originally in CHAT
    * Crossposted in ASTRONOMY
    * Crossposted in ASTRONET

    Hi All,

    On 2021-12-25 15:24:15, I wrote to August Abolins:

    Btw: It's now already way past (@48km's) the orbit of geostationairy satelites (which is about 35,7 km above the earths surface).

    It's now, a day after launch, almost 240 km from earth. That's not even half way the distance to the moon. And about 16,5% of the distance to it's destination point in space. It will take about 29 days to get there. It will take so long to get there, because there is no propulsion anymore (except for some short burns for course corrections). It's in the balistic fase on it's path to it's destination, and because of the gravitational pull of the earth it's constantly slowing down slightly. It speed now is about 1.7 km/s relative to earth, while during the launch fase it topped at about 10 km/s...

    If you're interested you can follow it's journey for yourself on this website:

    https://jwst.nasa.gov/content/webbLaunch/whereIsWebb.html


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sun Dec 26 09:48:00 2021
    Hello Wilfred van Velzen!

    ** On Sunday 26.12.21 - 13:35, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to All:

    * Originally in CHAT
    * Crossposted in ASTRONOMY
    * Crossposted in ASTRONET

    FYI, it hasn't made it to ASTRONOMY on 396/45 yet.

    It's now, a day after launch, almost 240 km from earth.
    That's not even half way the distance to the moon. And
    about 16,5% of the distance to it's destination point in
    space. It will take about 29 days [..]

    The physics/math/mechanics to make all the happen seems
    astonishing.


    If you're interested you can follow it's journey..

    https://jwst.nasa.gov/content/webbLaunch/whereIsWebb.html

    That's a nice page. It kinda reminds me of the days watching
    modem uploads/downloads. :/

    But what do the gaps between day 2-3, 9-10, 11-12, 14-15, 26-29
    represent?

    At about 1.5-2mi/sec hope there isn't any teeny tiny debri that
    can render it useless.
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Sun Dec 26 17:06:59 2021
    Hi August,

    On 2021-12-26 09:48:00, you wrote to me:

    * Originally in CHAT
    * Crossposted in ASTRONOMY
    * Crossposted in ASTRONET

    FYI, it hasn't made it to ASTRONOMY on 396/45 yet.

    That's odd, because he is connected to that area on my system, so he got it direct. (And my outbound is empty)

    It's now, a day after launch, almost 240 km from earth.
    ^^^^^^
    That should have been: 240K km! :/

    That's not even half way the distance to the moon. And
    about 16,5% of the distance to it's destination point in
    space. It will take about 29 days [..]

    The physics/math/mechanics to make all the happen seems
    astonishing.

    Indeed.

    If you're interested you can follow it's journey..

    https://jwst.nasa.gov/content/webbLaunch/whereIsWebb.html

    That's a nice page. It kinda reminds me of the days watching
    modem uploads/downloads. :/

    That also took days? ;-)

    But what do the gaps between day 2-3, 9-10, 11-12, 14-15, 26-29
    represent?

    I don't know, I was wondering about that too. And it doesn't seem to correlate too well to the deployment steps...

    At about 1.5-2mi/sec hope there isn't any teeny tiny debri that
    can render it useless.

    There's always that tiny, tiny, tiny risk. But it's already well beyond the "commercial" earth orbits, so that debri wouldn't be human made...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sun Dec 26 11:49:00 2021
    Hello Wilfred van Velzen!

    ** On Sunday 26.12.21 - 17:06, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to August Abolins:

    FYI, it hasn't made it to ASTRONOMY on 396/45 yet.

    That's odd, because he is connected to that area on my system, so he got it direct. (And my outbound is empty)

    I'm not getting a connection at 396/45 in the last couple days
    either. :( When was the last time you connected?


    It's now, a day after launch, almost 240 km from earth.
    ^^^^^^
    That should have been: 240K km! :/

    Somehow I didn't quite even notice that!


    https://jwst.nasa.gov/content/webbLaunch/whereIsWebb.html

    That's a nice page. It kinda reminds me of the days watching
    modem uploads/downloads. :/

    That also took days? ;-)

    So says the fellow who wrote 240 km when he meant 240K km? ;)

    The awkwardness of the english language in translation arises.
    Of course I meant "the days when we could watch an upload/
    download take <a long time | minutes | hours> over dialup. LOL

    At about 1.5-2mi/sec hope there isn't any teeny tiny
    debri that can render it useless.

    There's always that tiny, tiny, tiny risk. But it's
    already well beyond the "commercial" earth orbits, so
    that debri wouldn't be human made...

    Maybe the odd loose screw or bolt that has sprung loose from
    the myriad of launches over the decades will cross paths with a
    new mission. But then, maybe the gravity of nearby planets or
    moons could take care of such problems.
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Sun Dec 26 23:02:51 2021
    Hi August,

    On 2021-12-26 11:49:00, you wrote to me:

    FYI, it hasn't made it to ASTRONOMY on 396/45 yet.

    That's odd, because he is connected to that area on my system, so he
    got it direct. (And my outbound is empty)

    I'm not getting a connection at 396/45 in the last couple days
    either. :(

    I see some failed connects in my log, but most of them go ok...

    When was the last time you connected?

    20 Minutes ago.

    At about 1.5-2mi/sec hope there isn't any teeny tiny
    debri that can render it useless.

    There's always that tiny, tiny, tiny risk. But it's
    already well beyond the "commercial" earth orbits, so
    that debri wouldn't be human made...

    Maybe the odd loose screw or bolt that has sprung loose from
    the myriad of launches over the decades will cross paths with a
    new mission.

    Not that far from earth where the JWST now is (half way the distance to the moon). There is hardly anything there, compared to the low earth orbits.

    But then, maybe the gravity of nearby planets or
    moons could take care of such problems.

    The other planets are way too far to have any measurable influence on objects in an earth orbit...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to All on Mon Dec 27 15:16:12 2021
    * Originally in ASTRONOMY
    * Crossposted in ASTRONET
    * Crossposted in CHAT

    Hi All,

    On 2021-12-26 13:35:05, I wrote to you:

    Btw: It's now already way past (@48km's) the orbit of geostationairy
    satelites (which is about 35,7 km above the earths surface).

    It's now, a day after launch, almost 240K km from earth.

    Now after almost 2 days and 2 hours of travel it's almost 375K km from earth and it has traveled more then 25% of the distance to it's destination in space.

    If you're interested you can follow it's journey for yourself on this website:

    https://jwst.nasa.gov/content/webbLaunch/whereIsWebb.html


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From August Abolins@2:460/256 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Dec 27 20:55:34 2021
    Hi Wilfred...

    * Originally in ASTRONOMY
    * Crossposted in ASTRONET
    * Crossposted in CHAT
    Hi All,
    On 2021-12-26 13:35:05, I wrote to you:
    It's now, a day after launch, almost 240K km from earth.
    Now after almost 2 days and 2 hours of travel it's almost 375K km from earth and it has traveled more then 25% of the distance to it's destination in space.
    If you're interested you can follow it's journey for yourself on this
    website:
    https://jwst.nasa.gov/content/webbLaunch/whereIsWebb.html
    Bye, Wilfred.

    How can it be 25% of it's distance at day 3, when it only enters L2 in it's 29th day?

    Ciao!
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Mon Dec 27 21:59:03 2021
    Hi August,

    On 2021-12-27 20:55:34, you wrote to me:

    How can it be 25% of it's distance at day 3, when it only enters L2 in it's 29th day?

    I explained that in a previous message: It's slowing down...

    It will take about 29 days to get there. It will take so long to get there, because there is no propulsion anymore (except for some short
    burns for course corrections). It's in the balistic fase on it's path
    to it's destination, and because of the gravitational pull of the
    earth it's constantly slowing down slightly. Its speed now is about
    1.7 km/s relative to earth, while during the launch fase it topped at about 10 km/s...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Dec 27 19:28:00 2021
    Hello Wilfred van Velzen!

    ** On Sunday 26.12.21 - 23:02, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to August Abolins:

    Maybe the odd loose screw or bolt that has sprung loose from
    the myriad of launches over the decades will cross paths with a
    new mission.

    Not that far from earth where the JWST now is (half way the distance to the moon). There is hardly anything there, compared to the low earth orbits.

    No Kidding.. I just read THIS in the news:

    "China RAGES at Elon Musk after space station near miss with
    Starlink satellite

    "China complained to UN in a diplomatic note, its space
    station had to take evasive action to avoid collision with
    satellites launched by the billionaire's Starlink program.
    (SCMP)

    "Satellites from Starlink Internet Services, had two "close
    encounters" with the Chinese space station, according to a
    document submitted to the UN Space Agency.

    "For safety reasons, the China Space Station implemented
    preventive collision avoidance control," China said in the
    document.

    This is only going to get worse as things get crowded up there.
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Tue Dec 28 11:23:14 2021
    Hi August,

    On 2021-12-27 19:28:00, you wrote to me:

    ... compared to the low earth orbits.

    No Kidding.. I just read THIS in the news:

    "China RAGES at Elon Musk after space station near miss with
    Starlink satellite

    "China complained to UN in a diplomatic note, its space
    station had to take evasive action to avoid collision with
    satellites launched by the billionaire's Starlink program.
    (SCMP)

    "Satellites from Starlink Internet Services, had two "close
    encounters" with the Chinese space station, according to a
    document submitted to the UN Space Agency.

    "For safety reasons, the China Space Station implemented
    preventive collision avoidance control," China said in the
    document.

    This is only going to get worse as things get crowded up there.

    Yes this is a real problem. Some think the Kessler Syndrome has already begun. :-(

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Tue Dec 28 18:16:46 2021
    Hi August,

    On 2021-12-26 23:02:51, I wrote to you:

    I'm not getting a connection at 396/45 in the last couple days
    either. :(

    I see some failed connects in my log, but most of them go ok...

    ... But they were getting very slow. I've talked to Marc, and he has (remotely) reset his system, and it seems to be ok now...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Tue Dec 28 18:18:37 2021
    * Originally in CHAT
    * Crossposted in ASTRONOMY

    Hi August,

    On 2021-12-26 17:06:59, I wrote to you:

    But what do the gaps between day 2-3, 9-10, 11-12, 14-15, 26-29
    represent?

    I don't know, I was wondering about that too. And it doesn't seem to correlate too well to the deployment steps...

    I just noticed what they mean. It's not about the gaps. It's about the marked bits in blue that are periods in the deployment, as described just below the line. So we are now in the "Sunshield" deployment fase...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Wilfred van Velzen on Tue Dec 28 19:56:00 2021
    Hello Wilfred van Velzen!

    ** On Tuesday 28.12.21 - 18:16, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to August Abolins:

    ... I've talked to Marc, and he has
    (remotely) reset his system, and it seems to be ok now...

    Yes. All systems are a go now. Thx.
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Wed Dec 29 11:16:08 2021
    Hi August,

    On 2021-12-28 19:56:00, you wrote to me:

    ... I've talked to Marc, and he has
    (remotely) reset his system, and it seems to be ok now...

    Yes. All systems are a go now. Thx.

    But now there is a different problem:

    + 29 Dec 06:32:04 [14165] call to 1:396/45@fidonet
    29 Dec 06:32:04 [14165] trying sursum-corda.com [173.14.206.213]...
    ? 29 Dec 06:32:22 [14165] connection to 1:396/45@fidonet failed: No route to host

    :-(

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Dec 29 07:55:00 2021
    Hello Wilfred van Velzen!

    ** On Wednesday 29.12.21 - 11:16, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to August Abolins:

    Yes. All systems are a go now. Thx.

    But now there is a different problem:

    + 29 Dec 06:32:04 [14165] call to 1:396/45@fidonet
    29 Dec 06:32:04 [14165] trying sursum-corda.com [173.14.206.213]...
    ? 29 Dec 06:32:22 [14165] connection to 1:396/45@fidonet failed: No
    route to host

    :-(

    Something stopped working right here too a few hours later (and
    now a few minutes ago) when I made my next poll.

    :-(

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Wed Dec 29 14:31:42 2021
    Hi August,

    On 2021-12-29 07:55:00, you wrote to me:

    But now there is a different problem:

    + 29 Dec 06:32:04 [14165] call to 1:396/45@fidonet
    29 Dec 06:32:04 [14165] trying sursum-corda.com [173.14.206.213]...
    ? 29 Dec 06:32:22 [14165] connection to 1:396/45@fidonet failed: No
    route to host

    :-(

    Something stopped working right here too a few hours later (and
    now a few minutes ago) when I made my next poll.

    He fixed this too. He thinks his cable connection was down...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From August Abolins@2:460/256 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Dec 29 16:35:30 2021
    Hi Wilfred...

    Hi August,
    On 2021-12-29 07:55:00, you wrote to me:
    Something stopped working right here too a few hours later (and
    now a few minutes ago) when I made my next poll.
    He fixed this too. He thinks his cable connection was down...
    Bye, Wilfred.

    He fixed that via remote too? Amazing! Anyway.. a poll responded this time. Thx.

    Ciao!
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Wed Dec 29 14:36:38 2021
    Hi August,

    On 2021-12-29 16:35:30, you wrote to me:

    Something stopped working right here too a few hours later (and
    now a few minutes ago) when I made my next poll.
    He fixed this too. He thinks his cable connection was down...

    He fixed that via remote too?

    ... By calling someone at the remote site and have them reset the cable modem? (I don't know, just speculating... ;-))

    Amazing! Anyway.. a poll responded this time. Thx.

    That would only be possible with an alternative internet connection to the remote site. Otherwise it could be amazing indeed. ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Dec 29 09:07:00 2021
    Hello Wilfred van Velzen!

    ** On Wednesday 29.12.21 - 14:36, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to August Abolins:

    He fixed that via remote too?

    ... By calling someone at the remote site and have them
    reset the cable modem? (I don't know, just speculating...
    ;-))

    That would only be possible with an alternative internet
    connection to the remote site. Otherwise it could be
    amazing indeed. ;)

    Silicone-based entities are so overrated. The carbon-based
    units rule!

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Dec 29 09:10:00 2021
    ** On Wednesday 29.12.21 - 09:07, August Abolins wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

    Silicone-based entities are so overrated. The carbon-based
    units rule!

    ..except when carbon-based units don't check their spelling
    mistakes. Make that "Silicon-based" above. :D

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Wed Dec 29 15:33:12 2021
    Hi August,

    On 2021-12-29 09:10:00, you wrote to me:

    Silicone-based entities are so overrated. The carbon-based
    units rule!

    ..except when carbon-based units don't check their spelling
    mistakes. Make that "Silicon-based" above. :D

    ;-)

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to All on Thu Jan 6 22:05:01 2022
    * Originally in ASTRONOMY
    * Crossposted in ASTRONET
    * Crossposted in CHAT

    Hi All,

    On 2021-12-27 15:16:12, I wrote to you:

    Btw: It's now already way past (@48km's) the orbit of
    geostationairy
    satelites (which is about 35,7 km above the earths surface).

    It's now, a day after launch, almost 240K km from earth.

    Now after almost 2 days and 2 hours of travel it's almost 375K km from earth and it has traveled more then 25% of the distance to it's destination
    in space.

    Today it passed the 1.000.000 km mark from earth, after 12 days and some hours of flight. "Only about 440.000 km's of flight remain to it's final destination, but that will take another 17 days.

    Sofar all deployments (like putting the heatshield and secondary mirror into place) where succesfull! Only the deployment of the Port and Starboard Primary Mirror Wings remain. These last deployments will start tomorrow.

    A good place for additional information is: https://blogs.nasa.gov/webb/
    Most days there are multiple updates of what is going on with the JWST...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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