• Re: Hi There

    From Dennisk@3:633/416 to Doug Cooper on Mon May 11 10:25:00 2020
    Doug Cooper wrote to Dennisk <=-

    Haha, that works too ... After 4 kids, 3 I've raised, I'm numb to the tantrums or disappoitning looks they stomp away with. No often is the only answer they must learn as they'll hear it moreoften then not as an adult.

    Donating to the food pantry sounds like a great idea. My wife has suggested quite a few times we should during christmas, donate old toys and go help/volunteer, but it hasn't actually happened yet. Need to
    step up here.

    I don't know about where you are, but here not all pantries take toys
    and clothees, so if you do it, you'll wanna call around. I avoid
    giving to Goodwill as they mark them up to and sell them. I prefer the pantries as they give them to kids 100% free. They are funded by our
    city government via grants and public donations.

    Melbourne is a pretty big city, geographically speaking, but I don't think there is much like that around my part. There are toy libraries and charity run second hand stores, and there are charities which act like a food bank, but I don't know of any that take food and toys and other items. I don't think things like that are as established in Australia. Perhaps there is less of a need. I have noted that there are far more homeless in the city centre camped out at night, bit in the capitals you don't see the tent cities and poverty like you see in the USA.

    Just out of interest, why are you in Fidonet?

    Should I not be? lol! I joined FidoNet for diversity of topics to discuss as opposed to many networks that only focus on SysOp support
    and or Computer tech topics. While I do subscribe to other networks,
    Fido is the only I have that has seperate categories of conversation to keep the people relatively on track. I would be open to others as
    well. I really want to start an National Football League echo, but I'm unclear on how to add it in mystic. So ... until I figure that out, I'm reading recipes, this dad board, and a few others.

    You?

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    A few reasons. Firstly, it's kind of cool to still be able to use BBSs on a 486, and I like simple technology with few demands and requirements.

    Secondly, I had known about FidoNet for ages, but when I was using dial up BBS's I never really considered it. They never used it and maybe I thought it was some subscription deal.

    Thirdly, I dislike so called social media and the way that these Californian companies act and thing. They act reprehensibly, it is often toxic and discussion is too noisy and shallow and the platform sucks. There are alternatives like Minds, but the solution is still flawed. I know that BBS's are redundant, there is still value in the model. A simple technology that anyone can deploy and own, with a very low barrier of entry, that can serve a community. A system that the community can own, and be moderated by people held accountable. So in part I'm here to use a model I advocate. I think Diaspora was trying to do something like this.

    Lastly, I figured there would be more shared interests here, than on say, Tik Tok.


    ... Dennis Katsonis
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  • From Richard Miles@1:3634/24 to Mickey on Wed May 13 21:03:46 2020
    On 11 May 2020, Mickey said the following...

    Oh, and I'm on Tic Tok, and it's...... stupid. :-)

    Very stupid. And once you (I) get on it's difficult to stop looking.

    -=>Richard Miles<=-
    -=>Captain Obvious<=-
    -=>bbs.shadowscope.com<=-

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  • From Doug Cooper@1:227/702 to Dennisk on Fri May 8 23:32:59 2020
    have two girls, 5 and 7. We have a pocket money system for them too,
    but they haven't quite learned the value of money. That is to say, they don't quite get that when it runs out, you stop getting things you like. Perhaps a better lesson is to suggest they save up for something big
    they like, so that there is a goal to achieve and work towards.

    Growing up my single mom, and remarried dad, only had enough money to buy me things on my Birthday and Christmas. All other times, I had to save if I wanted anything. It's hard to get the wife to quit buying them things just "because," but when they ask me, I would assigna chore. The problem was, I would forget how much I told them I'd give them, or since I don't carry cash, I'd forget to pay them. So .. they'd get something much more valuable then what was earned as a result. So the chore ap is great. The Busy Kid ap, specifically, allows the parent to set a "save percent," which is great. My boys will ask me to transfer money out so they can buy "RoBucks" all the
    time. I just say now. One day they'll want a $80 game and I'll ask them to look at their ap. They'll likely have it in there and have earned it. I
    have had to tweak "who does what" based on age, as my 8 year old hasn't been diligent with the weeds in the flower beds, but the 12 year old kicks butt at them; conversely, the 8 year old picks up the dog doo just fine daily. It's been a life saver and the kids are all over the ap daily. It has a lot of preloaded chores that I wouldn't have thought of that are very helpful, all
    the way down to "brush your teeth," so I'm not the helicopter dad constantly reminding them.

    I agree with you on Facebook. I don't trust their tracking, I don't like
    that the second I walk into a store, Facebook ads are appearing of the store
    I had just visited. I also don't like employers snooping social media to see if my political views, page likes, etc.. match their "culture." I'm old
    enough to keep my mouth shut when I don't agree with someone, and smart
    enough not to share political memes, but I might like Fox News over CNN, and don't like the idea of an employer not hiring as a result of something so trivial. Lastly, I don't get facebook frankly ... It was designed to connect friends and family that wouldn't otherwise see one another. If it had stayed in that lane, I'd be content with it. My family has switched to Marco Polo
    for that purpose, it's like Video Texting and much better then seeing static photos of my nephews ...

    Glad to meet you, where are you from? I'm in Carmel Indiana.

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  • From Dennisk@3:633/416 to Doug Cooper on Sat May 9 17:51:00 2020
    Doug Cooper wrote to Dennisk <=-

    have two girls, 5 and 7. We have a pocket money system for them too,
    but they haven't quite learned the value of money. That is to say, they don't quite get that when it runs out, you stop getting things you like. Perhaps a better lesson is to suggest they save up for something big
    they like, so that there is a goal to achieve and work towards.

    Growing up my single mom, and remarried dad, only had enough money to
    buy me things on my Birthday and Christmas. All other times, I had to save if I wanted anything. It's hard to get the wife to quit buying
    them things just "because," but when they ask me, I would assigna
    chore. The problem was, I would forget how much I told them I'd give them, or since I don't carry cash, I'd forget to pay them. So ..
    they'd get something much more valuable then what was earned as a
    result. So the chore ap is great. The Busy Kid ap, specifically,
    allows the parent to set a "save percent," which is great. My boys
    will ask me to transfer money out so they can buy "RoBucks" all the
    time. I just say now. One day they'll want a $80 game and I'll ask
    them to look at their ap. They'll likely have it in there and have
    earned it. I have had to tweak "who does what" based on age, as my 8
    year old hasn't been diligent with the weeds in the flower beds, but
    the 12 year old kicks butt at them; conversely, the 8 year old picks up the dog doo just fine daily. It's been a life saver and the kids are
    all over the ap daily. It has a lot of preloaded chores that I
    wouldn't have thought of that are very helpful, all the way down to
    "brush your teeth," so I'm not the helicopter dad constantly reminding them.

    I agree with you on Facebook. I don't trust their tracking, I don't
    like that the second I walk into a store, Facebook ads are appearing of the store I had just visited. I also don't like employers snooping
    social media to see if my political views, page likes, etc.. match
    their "culture." I'm old enough to keep my mouth shut when I don't
    agree with someone, and smart enough not to share political memes, but
    I might like Fox News over CNN, and don't like the idea of an employer
    not hiring as a result of something so trivial. Lastly, I don't get facebook frankly ... It was designed to connect friends and family that wouldn't otherwise see one another. If it had stayed in that lane, I'd
    be content with it. My family has switched to Marco Polo for that purpose, it's like Video Texting and much better then seeing static
    photos of my nephews ...

    Glad to meet you, where are you from? I'm in Carmel Indiana.

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    * Origin: The Underground BBS (1:227/702)

    I am from Melbourne, Australia. The money I had growing up was what I got for my Birthday or Christmas, I didn't have pocket money, despite asking. But my grandparents would buy a lot of stuff from garage sales, so we often had second hand stuff dumped on us. So the first few computers I had were bought by my mum for very little, but they were way out of date. An XT system didn't get you far in 1993, but it only cost $30 AUD. That reminds me, I have to find where it is. I never got rid of it.

    My wife doesn't like the kids using tech that much, so no apps I'm afraid (she is the only one with a phone that could run it anyway).

    The lesson I want to teach my children isn't just about money, but resources. Not to be wasteful, that even if you can afford to buy something, you should think twice about whether you really need it. Plastic toys may be cheap and affordable, but consider that they end up in the trash, or the oceans. Think about whether that toy will really give you enjoyment, or whether it is just shiny plastic blobs where you have to collect 100 of them.


    ... Dennis Katsonis
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  • From Doug Cooper@1:227/702 to Dennisk on Sat May 9 08:01:12 2020
    out of date. An XT system didn't get you far in 1993, but it only cost $30 AUD. That reminds me, I have to find where it is. I never got rid
    of it.


    Yeah I think I got rid of my XT around that time, however it was a great computer for BBS'ing back in the day, but by 93 the "Clone Wars" was
    beginning within the computer business and prices were unbelievably cheap. I worked for a company called Ultimate Electronics, and we'd sell them
    literally out of a truck (Truck load sale,) as the buiness we were doing on
    our custom made close brand was insane. Thats the time I upgraded to a Pentium. At 13 I had my first job at a carwash. I worked a few hours each
    day after school. I saved for almost a year and bought myself a Diamond Back Pro Series BMX bike. My parents also never had money nor gave it when asked, asside from 10 cents to "check in" while out riding bikes with my friends,
    for the payphone haha!

    in the trash, or the oceans. Think about whether that toy will really give you enjoyment, or whether it is just shiny plastic blobs where you have to collect 100 of them.


    Thats a tough sale but a great spin! We didn't accomplish that so ... so now
    I really emphasize donating to a food pantry locally here that also has clothing and toys/household items. Those in poverty can apply and get free food. While there, they can grab whatever toys and clothing is there.
    We've volunteered there a few times, and did a cub scout tour of the place
    when I lead the den. So at least once every few months we have a purge
    party, and collect a minimum of two boxes of toys per kid, and take them to
    the pantry.

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    * Origin: The Underground BBS (1:227/702)
  • From Dennisk@3:633/416 to Doug Cooper on Sun May 10 12:22:00 2020
    Doug Cooper wrote to Dennisk <=-

    out of date. An XT system didn't get you far in 1993, but it only cost $30 AUD. That reminds me, I have to find where it is. I never got rid
    of it.


    Yeah I think I got rid of my XT around that time, however it was a
    great computer for BBS'ing back in the day, but by 93 the "Clone Wars"
    was beginning within the computer business and prices were unbelievably cheap. I worked for a company called Ultimate Electronics, and we'd
    sell them literally out of a truck (Truck load sale,) as the buiness we were doing on our custom made close brand was insane. Thats the time I upgraded to a Pentium. At 13 I had my first job at a carwash. I
    worked a few hours each day after school. I saved for almost a year
    and bought myself a Diamond Back Pro Series BMX bike. My parents also never had money nor gave it when asked, asside from 10 cents to "check
    in" while out riding bikes with my friends, for the payphone haha!


    The XT is the "classic car" of the PC world. Such a nice looking machine, at least to me it is. My mum didn't really want me taking up a part time job (I wanted one to buy a 386), because it would apparently detract from my studies. At that time, I was in my final years of high school. I was loaned a 386 instead by my uncle.

    in the trash, or the oceans. Think about whether that toy will really give you enjoyment, or whether it is just shiny plastic blobs where you have to collect 100 of them.


    Thats a tough sale but a great spin! We didn't accomplish that so ...
    so now I really emphasize donating to a food pantry locally here that
    also has clothing and toys/household items. Those in poverty can apply and get free food. While there, they can grab whatever toys and
    clothing is there. We've volunteered there a few times, and did a cub scout tour of the place when I lead the den. So at least once every
    few months we have a purge party, and collect a minimum of two boxes of toys per kid, and take them to the pantry.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground BBS (1:227/702)


    An incredibly tough sale! Actually impossible really, unless you put your foot down and flat out say "no". No need to feel bad about it, within a day or two, they've forgotten they ever wanted it!

    Donating to the food pantry sounds like a great idea. My wife has suggested quite a few times we should during christmas, donate old toys and go help/volunteer, but it hasn't actually happened yet. Need to step up here.

    Just out of interest, why are you in Fidonet?


    ... Dennis Katsonis
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    * Origin: Mind's Eye BBS - mindseye.ddns.net - Australia (3:633/416)
  • From Doug Cooper@1:227/702 to Dennisk on Sun May 10 16:57:39 2020
    An incredibly tough sale! Actually impossible really, unless you put
    your foot down and flat out say "no". No need to feel bad about it, within a day or two, they've forgotten they ever wanted it!

    Haha, that works too ... After 4 kids, 3 I've raised, I'm numb to the
    tantrums or disappoitning looks they stomp away with. No often is the only answer they must learn as they'll hear it moreoften then not as an adult.

    Donating to the food pantry sounds like a great idea. My wife has suggested quite a few times we should during christmas, donate old toys and go help/volunteer, but it hasn't actually happened yet. Need to
    step up here.

    I don't know about where you are, but here not all pantries take toys and clothees, so if you do it, you'll wanna call around. I avoid giving to Goodwill as they mark them up to and sell them. I prefer the pantries as
    they give them to kids 100% free. They are funded by our city government via grants and public donations.

    Just out of interest, why are you in Fidonet?

    Should I not be? lol! I joined FidoNet for diversity of topics to discuss
    as opposed to many networks that only focus on SysOp support and or Computer tech topics. While I do subscribe to other networks, Fido is the only I have that has seperate categories of conversation to keep the people relatively on track. I would be open to others as well. I really want to start an
    National Football League echo, but I'm unclear on how to add it in mystic.
    So ... until I figure that out, I'm reading recipes, this dad board, and a
    few others.

    You?

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  • From Mickey@1:249/307.1 to Dennisk on Mon May 11 21:09:25 2020
    On Mon 11-May-2020 10:25a, Dennisk@3:633/416.0 said to Doug Cooper:

    A simple tech that
    anyone can deploy and own, with a very low barrier of entry, that can
    serve a
    community. A system that the community can own, and be moderated by
    people
    held accountable. So in part I'm here to use a model I advocate. I think Diaspora was trying to do something like this.

    Lastly, I figured there would be more shared interests here, than on say, Tik
    Tok.

    Dennis (Dennisk), this is exactly what we want folks to know again, about BBS's. A simpler naturally inclusive platform to socalizing on-line.

    Oh, and I'm on Tic Tok, and it's...... stupid. :-)

    Mick

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  • From Dennisk@3:633/416 to Mickey on Tue May 12 20:18:00 2020
    Mickey wrote to Dennisk <=-

    On Mon 11-May-2020 10:25a, Dennisk@3:633/416.0 said to Doug Cooper:

    A simple tech that
    anyone can deploy and own, with a very low barrier of entry, that can
    serve a
    community. A system that the community can own, and be moderated by
    people
    held accountable. So in part I'm here to use a model I advocate. I think Diaspora was trying to do something like this.

    Lastly, I figured there would be more shared interests here, than on say, Tik
    Tok.

    Dennis (Dennisk), this is exactly what we want folks to know again,
    about BBS's. A simpler naturally inclusive platform to socalizing
    on-line.

    Oh, and I'm on Tic Tok, and it's...... stupid. :-)

    Mick

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    That is what Social Media tried to do, but the problem is you have one organisation, one site which rules it all. It's one entity, and that is where it fails. With BBSs, its multiple, independent entities.

    ... Dennis Katsonis
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  • From Mickey@1:249/307.1 to Richard Miles on Sun May 24 19:52:09 2020
    On Wed 13-May-2020 9:03p, Richard Miles@1:3634/24.0 said to Mickey:

    On 11 May 2020, Mickey said the following...

    Oh, and I'm on Tic Tok, and it's...... stupid. :-)

    Very stupid. And once you (I) get on it's difficult to stop looking.

    HA HA At first I found it nearly impossible to stop looking at it, but I've found that after a while it has become easier. STOP Don't touch me there.

    <grin>

    Mick

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