Hello There,

Based upon recent events. Is there a need for more gun control?

If so, how drastic should the new laws be?



Jeff

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On 10/02/17, Jeff Smith said the following...

Hello There,

Based upon recent events. Is there a need for more gun control?

If so, how drastic should the new laws be?

there is no need for gun control...

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On 2017 Oct 02 16:15:00, you wrote to All:

Based upon recent events. Is there a need for more gun control?

gun control is hitting your target...

If so, how drastic should the new laws be?

there have to be laws about aiming, too??

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On 2017 Oct 04 21:44:22, you wrote to Jeff Smith:

Based upon recent events. Is there a need for more gun control?

If so, how drastic should the new laws be?

there is no need for gun control...

spray and pray??

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On 10/05/17, mark lewis said the following...

On 2017 Oct 04 21:44:22, you wrote to Jeff Smith:

Based upon recent events. Is there a need for more gun control?

If so, how drastic should the new laws be?

there is no need for gun control...

spray and pray??

Don't know what that means, I just know gun control would not have fixed anything in Los Vegas. The special stock the guy used that enable him to
make his semi-auto guns to act like a fully automatic gun should be banned.

World is going to hell in a hand basket. People should arm themselves... Government cannot legislate a fix for evil people....

Crazy and or evil do what they do... fly jets into buildings... make presure cookers into bomd... drive trucks into crowds.... we have no heard the last
of what evil will do.

Everyone who can should arm themselves and get the propper training to use their guns....

There were no NFL players that ran towards the shooting. It was the police
and regular civilians who stepped up. It was a security guard who stopped,
or slowed down the shooter... I don't know if he was armed ... but none the less he was not a police officer who rose to the occation.

I don't know how many guns are too many. I also don't know how many rounds
are too many. I don't suffer the too many guns or too much amo ... I do know people with alot of guns and a lot of amo... not concerned what they have or what they'll do with it... In fact if shit ever hit the fan you'd want them in your corner.

Solutions are not simple or easy... instead of playing with the rights of
legal gun owners... Euthanizing crazy people, just incase they do something
in the future.... I mean proactively euthanizing people that might someday do it would be a better defence. Even better, look at the current stats and
find out who uses guns illegally, taget those people in those areas and jail all people, regardless of race or religion, and give them manditory minimums for using guns in crimes or if you were/are a criminal cought with a gun... U just go to jail for a looooooong time.

That'll fix some of the peoplem... Jails would be full... but most of the people who shouldn't have a gun would be where we could keep an eye on them.

Most of what I said was toungue-in-cheek ... but its would be a way better solution than gun control.... BTW, just heard that Chicago has over 500 peope dead and the year is not even over yet... Chicogo has gun control measures in place... Hmmmm interesting...

Just saying...

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On 02 Oct 17 16:15:00, Jeff Smith said the following to All:

Hello There,

Based upon recent events. Is there a need for more gun control?

Why? Criminals and nutcases don't obey laws or reform. If a criminal or nutcase wants a gun to carry out a mass-shooting, rest assured they will get one. And if not, they can just get in a vehicle and mow everyone down. Next everyone will be complaining that "car control" is needed.

Canada has strict gun control laws and registry, yet here in Toronto violent crime involving guns happens almost every day. Look at the www.cp24.com website. Almost every day is coverage of gun crime just in this city alone.

The same gun control that some Americans want, did not stop a nutcase from storming parliment hill with one where our prime minister was at the time.

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On 10/05/17, Nick Andre said the following...

The same gun control that some Americans want, did not stop a nutcase
from storming parliment hill with one where our prime minister was at
the time.

Nick

Point in case...

Drugs are illegal as well... and people seem to use those as well.

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Hello Nick,

On 02 Oct 17 16:15:00, Jeff Smith said the following to All:

Based upon recent events. Is there a need for more gun control?

Why? Criminals and nutcases don't obey laws or reform. If a criminal or nutcase wants a gun to carry out a mass-shooting, rest assured they will get one. And if not, they can just get in a vehicle and mow everyone down.

Personally, I would have to agree. Strict gun laws would only IMHO have an effect on the existing law abiding gun owners. Those individuals with a mindset to rob, kill a person(s) will acquire a firearm(s) regardless of any existing gun laws. Regardless of how strict those laws happen to be.

Next everyone will be complaining that "car control" is needed.
Canada has strict gun control laws and registry, yet here in Toronto violent crime involving guns happens almost every day.

Chicago is said to have some of the toughest gun laws in the US but still had over 4000 gun related crimes last year.

Almost every day is coverage of gun crime just in this city alone.
The same gun control that some Americans want, did not stop a nutcase from storming parliment hill with one where our prime minister was at the time.

I personally don't fault a gun for killing people. Just as I don't fault the trucks that were used in France and Sweden to kill people when they were driven

through crowds. I blame the individuals shooting the guns and driving the trucks. The real task IMHO is to change the mindset of the person.


Jeff


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Chicago is said to have some of the toughest gun laws in the US but still had >over 4000 gun related crimes last year.

A pro-gun-control person would be quick to chime in/yell you into
submission here and point out that Chicago's problem is its proximity to
the much more lax state of Indiana. If only Indiana would follow Chicago's example, those otherwise law-abiding citizens would not be tempted by the muderous call of guns just across the border.

Never mind that Wisconsin is only an hour or so away... and Michigan... etc.

A well informed person would point out that, although they are correct
about Indiana being less strict, it is also true that many guns are
trafficed in by the Mexican drug/gun/human-traffic cartels. And it is
quite certainly true that no matter where the gun came from... Indiana,
Mexico, the trunk of someone's car... it was not likely purchased
legally.

So, Indiana could follow suit... and Wisconsin... and the violence would
likely continue. Maybe a few less gun deaths, but someone with murder in
their hearts is going to kill their intended victim (or die trying) no
matter what weapons they are left with.

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Hello Jeff.

05 Oct 17 17:58, you wrote to Nick Andre:

The same gun control that some Americans want, did not stop a
nutcase from storming parliment hill with one where our prime
minister was at the time.

I personally don't fault a gun for killing people. Just as I don't
fault the trucks that were used in France and Sweden to kill people
when they were driven

through crowds. I blame the individuals shooting the guns and driving
the trucks. The real task IMHO is to change the mindset of the person.

Well, IMHO (and take into consideration that I come from a different reality), I understood that the shooter kind of modified his semi-auto guns into full-auto settings, and I believe that would be the only thing that could be forbidden somehow.

Flavio

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On 31 Oct 17 16:54:15, Flavio Bessa said the following to Jeff Smith:

through crowds. I blame the individuals shooting the guns and driving the trucks. The real task IMHO is to change the mindset of the person.

Well, IMHO (and take into consideration that I come from a differen reality), I understood that the shooter kind of modified his semi-auto guns into full-auto settings, and I believe that would be the only thing that co be forbidden somehow.

Having an opinion is one thing, totally respected. It is another to try to push for laws to outlaw or restrict gun ownership, as if that will magically reduce or eliminate crime.

Remember that criminals and nutcases do not obey laws and if they really want to get a gun, they will.

Or some other means to carry out mass killings... cars, airplanes, etc.

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Hello Nick.

01 Nov 17 17:06, you wrote to me:

Well, IMHO (and take into consideration that I come from a
differen reality), I understood that the shooter kind of modified
his semi-auto guns into full-auto settings, and I believe that
would be the only thing that co be forbidden somehow.

Having an opinion is one thing, totally respected. It is another to
try to push for laws to outlaw or restrict gun ownership, as if that
will magically reduce or eliminate crime.

Remember that criminals and nutcases do not obey laws and if they
really want to get a gun, they will.

Or some other means to carry out mass killings... cars, airplanes,
etc.

You have a VERY good point. My only point would be that there
SHOULD have some kind of restriction for a guy to have access
to technology that would allow a semi-auto weapon to be
converted to full auto. That's just crazy, I think.

Flavio

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On 2017 Dec 04 21:28:48, you wrote to Nick Andre:

You have a VERY good point. My only point would be that there SHOULD
have some kind of restriction for a guy to have access to technology
that would allow a semi-auto weapon to be converted to full auto.
That's just crazy, I think.

what kind of technology do you think it takes? should we ban metal files used to shave some parts down in size a little bit? should we ban allen wrenches and screw drivers? it isn't that hard to make a fully automatic weapon and it doesn't take a whole lot to modify a semi-automatic one to be fully automatic... bump stocks and similar fake it and do little more than the gunslinger used to do when fanning the hammer on his pistol for rapidly firing his weapon...

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automatic... bump stocks and similar fake it and do little more than the >gunslinger used to do when fanning the hammer on his pistol for rapidly firing >his weapon...

Outlaw hands!!!!

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Hello mark.

11 Dec 17 09:09, you wrote to me:

You have a VERY good point. My only point would be that there
SHOULD have some kind of restriction for a guy to have access to
technology that would allow a semi-auto weapon to be converted to
full auto. That's just crazy, I think.

what kind of technology do you think it takes? should we ban metal
files used to shave some parts down in size a little bit? should we
ban allen wrenches and screw drivers? it isn't that hard to make a
fully automatic weapon and it doesn't take a whole lot to modify a semi-automatic one to be fully automatic... bump stocks and similar
fake it and do little more than the gunslinger used to do when fanning
the hammer on his pistol for rapidly firing his weapon...

You are absolutely right... It's impossible to control such a thing. You can punish the citizen that do that modification, but that's nothing.

Flavio

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