• Echolink and Metronet

    From Brian Indy@1:229/426.31 to All on Wed Feb 16 22:11:06 2022
    Just found out something today, I recently switched to Metronet fiber, and my Echolink program stopped working. So I went in to the router and tried to setup port forwarding, it would not work. Tried it many times, same bad result. Called Metronet...unless you buy a static IP for $120 a year, you can't port forward. Metronet uses something called CGNAT - Carrier Grade NAT and this is why you can't port forward using their dynamic assigned external IP.

    I wish I had known that before. I don't use echolink much. So I'm not paying $120 for a static IP from Metronet.

    Just a heads up.

    73

    Regards,
    Brian Franklin
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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Brian Indy on Wed Feb 16 22:18:41 2022
    Hello Brian,

    16 Feb 22 22:11, you wrote to All:

    Just found out something today, I recently switched to Metronet fiber,
    and my Echolink program stopped working. So I went in to the router
    and tried to setup port forwarding, it would not work. Tried it many times, same bad result. Called Metronet...unless you buy a static IP
    for $120 a year, you can't port forward. Metronet uses something
    called CGNAT - Carrier Grade NAT and this is why you can't port
    forward using their dynamic assigned external IP.

    Thanks for the warning. CGNAT is one of the huge drawbacks of IPv6 and one of the many reasons why I am not a fan of IPv6. I am using Spectrum that still uses IPv4 with NAT which means they can support a LOT of internal IPv4 customers easily. I have a pfSense box as my edge firewall device that does the port forwarding stuff.

    I wish I had known that before. I don't use echolink much. So I'm not paying $120 for a static IP from Metronet.

    Why in the hell they want $120 for a single static IP on an IPv6 network is beyond me. Considering IPv6 can supposedly support 340 trillion trillion trillion IP addresses, giving someone one static IP shouldn't be much. Sounds like their main "front end" to the internet is IPv4 and they have very limited IPv4 addresses available to them.

    What's your call, BTW?

    -- Sean

    ... I pulled a muscle digging for gold. Just a miner injury.
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  • From Ralf Voepel@1:103/705.782 to Brian Indy on Wed Feb 16 21:28:24 2022
    Hi Brian,
    how about tethering you cellphone to the PC just for echolink.
    Once done, unhook and use the Metronet again.
    Just my 5 cents

    73 de KF5WGB
    Ral Voepel

    Just found out something today, I recently switched to Metronet fiber,
    and my Echolink program stopped working. So I went in to the router and tried to setup port forwarding, it would not work. Tried it many times, same bad result. Called Metronet...unless you buy a static IP for $120 a year, you can't port forward. Metronet uses something called CGNAT - Carrier Grade NAT and this is why you can't port forward using their dynamic assigned external IP.

    I wish I had known that before. I don't use echolink much. So I'm not paying $120 for a static IP from Metronet.

    Just a heads up.

    73

    Regards, Brian Franklin
    -+- WinPoint 398.2
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  • From Brian KB9BVN@1:229/426.31 to Sean Dennis on Thu Feb 17 02:11:03 2022
    //Hello Sean,//

    on *17.02.22* at *3:18:41* You wrote in area *HAM*
    to *Brian Indy* about *"Echolink and Metronet"*.

    Why in the hell they want $120 for a single static IP on an IPv6 network is
    beyond me. Considering IPv6 can supposedly support 340 trillion trillion trillion IP addresses, giving someone one static IP shouldn't be much. Sounds
    like their main "front end" to the internet is IPv4 and they have very limited IPv4 addresses available to them.

    That's exactly the reason. They don't have a giant pile of IP4 addresses to use.
    They said I could just pay $10 a month for the static IP. Hey now that's a real discount.

    What's your call, BTW?

    Sorry.

    de KB9BVN

    Brian



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  • From deon@3:633/509 to Sean Dennis on Thu Feb 17 20:47:35 2022
    Re: Echolink and Metronet
    By: Sean Dennis to Brian Indy on Wed Feb 16 2022 10:18 pm

    Thanks for the warning. CGNAT is one of the huge drawbacks of IPv6 and one of the many reasons why I am not a fan of IPv6. I am

    Why in the hell they want $120 for a single static IP on an IPv6 network is beyond me. Considering IPv6 can supposedly support 340
    trillion trillion trillion IP addresses, giving someone one static IP shouldn't be much. Sounds like their main "front end" to the
    internet is IPv4 and they have very limited IPv4 addresses available to them.

    I'm thinking you've got confused.

    CGNAT is an IPv4 solution due to the lack of IPv4 addresses - where the answer is IPv6 isnt it?

    I've not heard of ISP's selling single static IPv6 addresses - I thought most gave you a /64, /60 or /56 as part of the service you get with them.


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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Brian KB9BVN on Thu Feb 17 10:13:21 2022
    Hello Brian,

    17 Feb 22 02:11, you wrote to me:

    That's exactly the reason. They don't have a giant pile of IP4
    addresses to use. They said I could just pay $10 a month for the
    static IP. Hey now that's a real discount.

    They said this -after- telling you it was $120 as month? Spectrum won't give you a static IP unless you have Spectrum Business (which, for what I am doing, would be worth the cost).

    ISP are real sleazeballs these days. I remember the nascent days of the public Internet where you had neighborhood ISPs before they all got bought up.

    -- Sean KS4TD

    ... When my phone battery died, I was angry and needed to find an outlet.
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to deon on Thu Feb 17 10:21:03 2022
    Hello deon,

    17 Feb 22 20:47, you wrote to me:

    CGNAT is an IPv4 solution due to the lack of IPv4 addresses - where
    the answer is IPv6 isnt it?

    Yes, you're right. I stand corrected.

    I've not heard of ISP's selling single static IPv6 addresses - I
    thought most gave you a /64, /60 or /56 as part of the service you get with them.

    I wouldn't know. Here in the US, it is exceedingly difficult to find a large ISP that supports IPv6. All of the large ISPs have a significant investment in IPv4 with NAT/CGNAT and are -very- hesitant to change.

    It's so much so that all of my computers have IPv6 disabled as there's no need for it right now.

    A side note: here's an interesting opinion article about why IPv6 hasn't had wide adoption yet in the past 25 years of its existance: https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/24/opinion_column_ipv6/

    This is quickly becoming off-topic so netmail is welcome or we can move this somewhere else.

    Are you an amateur radio operator?

    -- Sean KS4TD

    ... America is the land of opportunity. Everyone can become a taxpayer.
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  • From Gate Keeper@1:3634/27 to Sean Dennis on Fri Feb 18 11:02:49 2022
    Re: Echolink and Metronet
    By: Sean Dennis to Brian KB9BVN on Thu Feb 17 2022 10:13 am

    ISP are real sleazeballs these days. I remember the nascent days of the public Internet where you had neighborhood ISPs before they all got bought

    Yeah, before AOL bpught all of them.

    -N4DLT
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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Gate Keeper on Fri Feb 18 13:23:12 2022
    Hello Gate,

    18 Feb 22 11:02, you wrote to me:

    Yeah, before AOL bpught all of them.

    It wasn't just AOL. Earthlink bought a lot of ISPs too.

    -- Sean

    ... Beauty times brains equals a constant.
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    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Nigel Reed@nospam@nospam.com to Brian Indy on Tue Feb 22 16:01:53 2022
    On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 22:11:06 -0500
    "Brian Indy" <brian.indy@1:229/426.31> wrote:

    Just found out something today, I recently switched to Metronet
    fiber, and my Echolink program stopped working. So I went in to the
    router and tried to setup port forwarding, it would not work. Tried
    it many times, same bad result. Called Metronet...unless you buy a
    static IP for $120 a year, you can't port forward. Metronet uses
    something called CGNAT - Carrier Grade NAT and this is why you can't
    port forward using their dynamic assigned external IP.

    I wish I had known that before. I don't use echolink much. So I'm not
    paying $120 for a static IP from Metronet.

    Just a heads up.

    If you happen to have a unix server vps somewhere, could you do a ssh
    tunnel and proxy your connection through it?
    --
    End Of The Line BBS - Plano, TX
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  • From Nigel Reed@nospam@nospam.com to All on Tue Feb 22 16:05:19 2022
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 10:13:21 -0500
    "Sean Dennis" <sean.dennis@1:18/200> wrote:

    Hello Brian,

    17 Feb 22 02:11, you wrote to me:

    That's exactly the reason. They don't have a giant pile of IP4
    addresses to use. They said I could just pay $10 a month for the
    static IP. Hey now that's a real discount.

    They said this -after- telling you it was $120 as month? Spectrum
    won't give you a static IP unless you have Spectrum Business (which,
    for what I am doing, would be worth the cost).

    ISP are real sleazeballs these days. I remember the nascent days of
    the public Internet where you had neighborhood ISPs before they all
    got bought up.

    back in England, Demon Internet would provide every user with a static
    IP with their 10 quid a month internet service. You were expected to run
    an smtp server and they would "store and forward" you emails. They had a software package to do all that and it was actually pretty neat, all integrated.
    --
    End Of The Line BBS - Plano, TX
    telnet endofthelinebbs.com 23
  • From Sam Penwright@1:123/120 to Nigel Reed on Wed Feb 23 06:41:20 2022
    Hello Brian,

    17 Feb 22 02:11, you wrote to me:

    They said this -after- telling you it was $120 as month? Spectrum
    won't give you a static IP unless you have Spectrum Business (which,
    for what I am doing, would be worth the cost).

    Not to but in, I have a static Ip with Spectrum and I dont have a
    business account and I belive my bill for just internet is about 90.00
    I get about 430mbps down and 21 up.
    Sam


    Bye for now...
    Sam

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