• strange things, {at}synchronet sites

    From August Abolins@2:333/808.7 to All on Sun Nov 8 05:14:03 2020
    Hi All!

    When I pay visit to:

    https://freeway.apana.org.au/

    or,

    https://sestar.synchro.net/

    ..and click on File Libraries, Chrome and Firefox want to dwonload the 00index.html files instead of opening them in the browser. Why would that be happening?



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  • From Charles Pierson@2:221/6.21 to August Abolins on Sun Nov 8 08:54:37 2020
    Hello, August Abolins.
    On 11/8/20 5:14 AM you wrote:

    Hi All! When I pay visit to: https://freeway.apana.org.au/ or, https://sestar.synchro.net/
    ..and click on File Libraries, Chrome and Firefox want to
    dwonload the 00index.html files instead of opening them in the
    browser. Why would that be happening?

    Operator error?

    I don't know, honestly. SE Star keeps timing out when I try to connect. Been like that for the past week for me.

    Apana connected and let me create an account, but it's timing out on me now as well.

    And here I was hoping to experiment with QWK transfers....

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Charles Pierson on Sun Nov 8 19:12:52 2020
    On 08/11/2020 1:54 a.m., Charles Pierson : August Abolins wrote:

    Hi All! When I pay visit to: https://freeway.apana.org.au/ or, https://sestar.synchro.net/
    ..and click on File Libraries, Chrome and Firefox want to
    dwonload the 00index.html files instead of opening them in the
    browser. Why would that be happening?

    Operator error?

    I can tell it to open in the browser, but then the resultant page
    does not respond to other click. Never mind. It probably requires
    a login - which is perfectly reasonable.


    SE Star keeps timing out when I try to connect. Been like
    that for the past week for me.

    SE Star has been the most reliable and responsive for me. Now,
    Vertrauen (the Synchronet home) has been a whole other story. :(
    .....but today it is responding well.


    Apana connected and let me create an account, but it's
    timing out on me now as well.

    And here I was hoping to experiment with QWK
    transfers....

    The timing sucks, sometimes.

    I am getting timeouts for http://freeway.vkradio.com/



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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to August Abolins on Sun Nov 8 16:55:02 2020
    Hello August,

    https://freeway.apana.org.au/

    https://sestar.synchro.net/

    I can't seem to connect either of those for some reason.

    I just tried my own site at trmb.ca and firefox opened the 00index.html as expected.

    ..and click on File Libraries, Chrome and Firefox want to dwonload
    the 00index.html files instead of opening them in the browser. Why
    would that be happening?

    Hmm.. curious. I don't have chrome installed but it seems to work for me here and also at vert.synchro.net with firefox.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Alan Ianson on Mon Nov 9 05:11:09 2020
    On 08/11/2020 7:55 p.m., Alan Ianson : August Abolins wrote:

    https://freeway.apana.org.au/

    https://sestar.synchro.net/

    I can't seem to connect either of those for some reason.


    Hopefully it's just a temp thing.


    I just tried my own site at trmb.ca and firefox opened the 00index.html as expected.

    I did not realize you switched to Synch. The Message Groups page
    loads fast and quick. But the ftp:00index.html for File Libraries
    is stalling.


    Hmm.. curious. I don't have chrome installed but it seems to work for me here and also at vert.synchro.net with firefox.

    Will keep retrying.



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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to August Abolins on Sun Nov 8 19:44:46 2020
    Re: strange things, {at}synchronet sites
    By: August Abolins to All on Sun Nov 08 2020 05:14 am

    ..and click on File Libraries, Chrome and Firefox want to dwonload the 00index.html files instead of opening them in the browser. Why would that be happening?

    Modern browsers will no longer render (display) files they download via FTP: https://www.chromestatus.com/feature/6199005675520000
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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to Alan Ianson on Sun Nov 8 19:47:49 2020
    Re: strange things, {at}synchronet sites
    By: Alan Ianson to August Abolins on Sun Nov 08 2020 04:55 pm

    Hmm.. curious. I don't have chrome installed but it seems to work for me here and also at vert.synchro.net with firefox.

    The current version of FireFox will not render (display) files downloaded via FTP:
    https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2020/03/23/firefox-is-dropping-ftp-support/

    You can still download files, but those 00index.html files won't be useful to use. Just click the files and folders like you would any other FTP server and that should work fien.
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  • From August Abolins@2:333/808.7 to Alan Ianson on Mon Nov 9 05:31:32 2020
    Hi Alan!

    08 Nov 20 16:55, you wrote to me:

    I just tried my own site at trmb.ca and firefox opened the
    00index.html as expected.

    Revisiting trmb.ca, when I hover over the "File Libraries", it just shows "ftp://trmb.ca" ..and never loads anything.

    The link is the same thing at vert, but after what seems like a long time, ultimately the 00index.html content loads. But some of the navigation to other pages seems broken and fails.

    Also, sometimes when I click on [Message Groups], I get this:


    /* $Id: index.ssjs,v 1.10 2006/02/25 21:41:08 runemaster Exp $ */

    load("../web/lib/msgslib.ssjs");

    template.title="Message Groups on " +system.name;

    if(do_header)
    write_template("header.inc");
    if(do_topnav)
    load(topnav_html);
    if(do_leftnav)
    load(leftnav_html);
    if(do_rightnav)
    write_template("rightnav.inc");

    template.groups=msg_area.grp_list;

    ETC..

    After a couple of retries, the page loads OK. This problem seems more prevalent at Vert's.

    FYI, I am doing this from my replacement laptop: Win7, Firefox 82.0.2 64bit.



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  • From August Abolins@2:333/808.7 to Rob Swindell on Mon Nov 9 05:46:48 2020
    Hi Rob!

    08 Nov 20 19:44, you wrote to me:

    Modern browsers will no longer render (display) files they download
    via FTP:
    https://www.chromestatus.com/feature/6199005675520000

    Thanks. And thanks for the Firefox reference. What's the big concern that prompted to disable it? I read briefly the catch-all-word "security". What can go terribly wrong using FTP from the browser?

    Meanwhile, I have the setting: networking.ftp.enable = true ..in FF 82.0.2




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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Rob Swindell on Sun Nov 8 21:48:32 2020
    Re: strange things, {at}synchronet sites
    By: Rob Swindell to Alan Ianson on Sun Nov 08 2020 07:47 pm

    You can still download files, but those 00index.html files won't be useful to use. Just click the files and folders like you would any other FTP server and that should work fien.

    Good to know ftp will still work even if the 00index.html won't.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to August Abolins on Sun Nov 8 21:45:16 2020
    Re: strange things, {at}synchronet sites
    By: August Abolins to Alan Ianson on Mon Nov 09 2020 05:31 am

    Revisiting trmb.ca, when I hover over the "File Libraries", it just shows "ftp://trmb.ca" ..and never loads anything.

    There is only one file area at trmb.ca right now. I'll get that fixed up soonish. I have to take it offline for a time and work on another issue not BBS related. Hopefully I'll have it up and running smoothly in a week or two.

    The link is the same thing at vert, but after what seems like a long time, ultimately the 00index.html content loads. But some of the navigation to other pages seems broken and fails.

    I think most browsers have dropped or will drop support for loading html from ftp sites.

    Also, sometimes when I click on [Message Groups], I get this:


    /* $Id: index.ssjs,v 1.10 2006/02/25 21:41:08 runemaster Exp $ */

    load("../web/lib/msgslib.ssjs");

    template.title="Message Groups on " +system.name;

    if(do_header)
    write_template("header.inc");
    if(do_topnav)
    load(topnav_html);
    if(do_leftnav)
    load(leftnav_html);
    if(do_rightnav)
    write_template("rightnav.inc");

    template.groups=msg_area.grp_list;

    ETC..

    I've seen that happen too from time to time but I'm not sure why.

    FYI, I am doing this from my replacement laptop: Win7, Firefox 82.0.2 64bit.

    My firefox on slackware is 68.?.?. I suspect as we move up in versions I'll be having trouble with ftp also but haven't noticed yet.

    I'm thinking of using webv4 with Synchronet. That'll solve any ftp issues since it uses all http rather than ftp. ftp should still work I think, just no 00index.html support in most browsers.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to August Abolins on Sun Nov 8 22:52:41 2020
    Re: strange things, {at}synchronet sites
    By: August Abolins to Rob Swindell on Mon Nov 09 2020 05:46 am

    Hi Rob!

    08 Nov 20 19:44, you wrote to me:

    Modern browsers will no longer render (display) files they download
    via FTP:
    https://www.chromestatus.com/feature/6199005675520000

    Thanks. And thanks for the Firefox reference. What's the big concern that prompted to disable it?

    For most of us, there's no major concern. However, bad actors have, over the years and decades, used ftp as a tool in their acts. They choose FTP because it wasn't designed very well and thus it's easier (than HTTPS, especially) to either compromise or utilize in root-kits or other methods of spreading their ill will to other systems.

    I read briefly the catch-all-word "security". What
    can go terribly wrong using FTP from the browser?

    There are constant security issues in the Internet-connected world. It's a battle being fought substantially by the browser software developers. And eliminating ancient badly designed protocols makes their job (security battle) easier.

    Meanwhile, I have the setting: networking.ftp.enable = true ..in FF 82.0.2

    Yeah, but "ftp.enable" is different than "ftp.render" (I don't actually know if there's such a setting, but I'm just explaining that FTP support is different than actually parsing and displaying HTML files that are downloaded via FTP). It was a cool feature (the rendering of downloaded HTML) in browsers for 20 years, but that era is over. Hopefully we'll retain the ability to simply download files via FTP for a while longer.
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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to Alan Ianson on Sun Nov 8 23:01:44 2020
    Re: strange things, {at}synchronet sites
    By: Alan Ianson to August Abolins on Sun Nov 08 2020 09:45 pm

    Re: strange things, {at}synchronet sites
    By: August Abolins to Alan Ianson on Mon Nov 09 2020 05:31 am

    Revisiting trmb.ca, when I hover over the "File Libraries", it just shows "ftp://trmb.ca" ..and never loads anything.

    There is only one file area at trmb.ca right now. I'll get that fixed up soonish. I have to take it offline for a time and work on another issue not BBS related. Hopefully I'll have it up and running smoothly in a week or two.

    The link is the same thing at vert, but after what seems like a long time, ultimately the 00index.html content loads. But some of the navigation to other pages seems broken and fails.

    I think most browsers have dropped or will drop support for loading html from ftp sites.

    Also, sometimes when I click on [Message Groups], I get this:


    /* $Id: index.ssjs,v 1.10 2006/02/25 21:41:08 runemaster Exp $ */

    load("../web/lib/msgslib.ssjs");

    template.title="Message Groups on " +system.name;

    if(do_header)
    write_template("header.inc");
    if(do_topnav)
    load(topnav_html);
    if(do_leftnav)
    load(leftnav_html);
    if(do_rightnav)
    write_template("rightnav.inc");

    template.groups=msg_area.grp_list;

    ETC..

    I've seen that happen too from time to time but I'm not sure why.

    FYI, I am doing this from my replacement laptop: Win7, Firefox 82.0.2 64bit.

    My firefox on slackware is 68.?.?. I suspect as we move up in versions I'll be having trouble with ftp also but haven't noticed yet.

    I'm thinking of using webv4 with Synchronet. That'll solve any ftp issues since it uses all http rather than ftp. ftp should still work I think, just no 00index.html support in most browsers.

    Sounds like maybe you're missing this update to the legacy Synchronet web UI: https://gitlab.synchro.net/sbbs/sbbs/-/commit/f2cd3bfe543033032a3de02c
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