• youtube-dl?

    From August Abolins@1:153/757 to All on Sat Jan 22 08:23:08 2022
    Anyone else using youtube-dl at YT on a regular basis? Recently it seems that DLs seem to have slowed to about 1/10th the speed.

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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to August Abolins on Sat Jan 22 14:19:41 2022
    Re: youtube-dl?
    By: August Abolins to All on Sat Jan 22 2022 08:23 am

    Anyone else using youtube-dl at YT on a regular basis? Recently it seems that DLs seem to have slowed to about 1/10th the speed.

    I use it and 4K Video Downloader (for Windows) sometimes too/instead. I'm amazed (and very glad) that YT lets them work at all! :-)
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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to August Abolins on Sat Jan 22 14:31:36 2022
    Re: youtube-dl?
    By: Rob Swindell to August Abolins on Sat Jan 22 2022 02:19 pm

    Re: youtube-dl?
    By: August Abolins to All on Sat Jan 22 2022 08:23 am

    Anyone else using youtube-dl at YT on a regular basis? Recently it seems that DLs seem to have slowed to about 1/10th the speed.

    I use it and 4K Video Downloader (for Windows) sometimes too/instead. I'm amazed (and very glad) that YT lets them work at all! :-)

    BTW, I can confirm, youtube-dl is very slow (e.g. 52.56KiB/s) these days. But I think it's been that way for a while now, at least for me.
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to August Abolins on Sun Jan 23 01:43:26 2022
    Hello, August!

    Saturday January 22 2022 08:23, you wrote to All:

    Anyone else using youtube-dl at YT on a regular basis? Recently it
    seems that DLs seem to have slowed to about 1/10th the speed.

    What about yt-dlp?
    https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp

    Best regards,
    dp.
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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Dmitry Protasoff on Sat Jan 22 19:52:00 2022
    Hello Dmitry Protasoff!

    ** On Sunday 23.01.22 - 01:43, Dmitry Protasoff wrote to August Abolins:

    Anyone else using youtube-dl at YT on a regular basis?
    Recently it seems that DLs seem to have slowed to about
    1/10th the speed.

    What about yt-dlp?
    https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp

    I dunno.. DOES it manage to achieve faster downloads? I
    won't be able to try it for several days the next time at a DSL
    connection.

    Thanks for the heads-up on that one. It's only for the 64bit
    on Windows, but it might be a good replacement on one of my /64
    systems just the same.

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Rob Swindell on Sat Jan 22 19:57:00 2022
    Hello Rob Swindell!

    ** On Saturday 22.01.22 - 14:31, Rob Swindell wrote to August Abolins:

    I use it and 4K Video Downloader (for Windows) sometimes
    too/instead. I'm amazed (and very glad) that YT lets them
    work at all! :-)

    Is there something that YT can detect to disallow it entirely?

    I got a bit frustrated with 4K VD for some sreason and decided
    to stick with youtube-dl. ytd also allows downloading any
    video file that has a direct link. It works on Rumble and
    Vimeo videos too.


    BTW, I can confirm, youtube-dl is very slow (e.g.
    52.56KiB/s) these days. But I think it's been that way for
    a while now, at least for me. --digital man (rob)

    Thx for that. I only noticed the slowdown within a week or
    two.
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to August Abolins on Sun Jan 23 04:43:18 2022

    On 2022 Jan 22 08:23:08, you wrote to All:

    Anyone else using youtube-dl at YT on a regular basis?

    i use it but i wouldn't say regularly... mostly for grabbing some rocket launch videos for later analysis...

    Recently it seems that DLs seem to have slowed to about 1/10th the
    speed.

    that could be caused by any number of things in the path from the server's file system to your system's file system, really...

    eg:
    overloaded router in the path
    active virus scanner scanning all traffic on the wire
    DDOS on the sending or receiving end


    FWIW:

    i just pulled ULA's recent Atlas V launch video (Uz8zGWycsOY) and it seems to be averaging 78KiB/s for a 17.4MiB file... i guess that's ok... this with the 2021 Dec 17 update of youtube-dl... i can't say if that's good, bad, or average, though...

    yt-dlp pulls the same video much much faster (3 seconds vs 3 minutes) but the output is slightly different (both video and audio are webm as is the final container vs youtube-dl's webm and m4a with final container being mkv)... i may not have everything installed that yt-dlp wants, though...

    in both cases of the above video, i see the same "playback problem" at the same position in the 25 second video but this may be due to playing them on this older system... the "problem" being large lag of the video image starting about 13 seconds into the video... this lag is not seen when playing the video directly from youtube on the same system, though...

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to mark lewis on Sun Jan 23 11:01:00 2022
    Hello mark lewis!

    ** On Sunday 23.01.22 - 04:43, mark lewis wrote to August Abolins:

    Recently it seems that DLs seem to have slowed to about
    1/10th the speed.

    that could be caused by any number of things in the path
    from the server's file system to your system's file
    system, really...

    eg:
    overloaded router in the path
    active virus scanner scanning all traffic on the wire
    DDOS on the sending or receiving end

    Maybe it's just a recent/temporary slowdown across the
    platform? I'm getting the same poor results whether on DSL or
    mobile hotspot.

    ..it seems to be averaging 78KiB/s for a
    17.4MiB file... i guess that's ok... this with the 2021
    Dec 17 update of youtube-dl... i can't say if that's good,
    bad, or average, though...

    I had good +650KiB/s speed with the same (most recent) youtube-
    dl version right up to about 2 weeks ago.


    yt-dlp pulls the same video much much faster (3 seconds vs
    3 minutes) but the output is slightly different (both
    video and audio are webm as is the final container vs
    youtube-dl's webm and m4a with final container being
    mkv)... i may not have everything installed that yt-dlp
    wants, though...

    Wow. With yt-dlp at full speed vs youtube-dl toggled down then
    the slowdown may indeed be something that YT is detecting with
    youtube-dl usage and therefore adjusting the speed afterall.
    Haven't tried yt-dlp yet. I know that I can use VLC to do
    conversions.


    in both cases of the above video, i see the same "playback
    problem" at the same position in the 25 second video but
    this may be due to playing them on this older system...
    the "problem" being large lag of the video image starting
    about 13 seconds into the video... this lag is not seen
    when playing the video directly from youtube on the same
    system, though...

    Thx for chining back with the comparisons. Looks like yt-dlp
    wil be the next goto program for me. I'm trying to DL a 311MB
    file (already using the "-f 18" option in youtube-dl for a
    lower quality version) ..but even that is taking 1hr 40min at
    an average 50-60KiB/s. :(

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Rob Swindell on Sun Jan 23 10:52:00 2022
    Rob Swindell wrote to August Abolins <=-

    BTW, I can confirm, youtube-dl is very slow (e.g. 52.56KiB/s) these
    days. But I think it's been that way for a while now, at least for me.

    Same here. But only for YouTube. Other sites work much faster. So I think YouTube is throttling.


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to August Abolins on Sun Jan 23 10:55:00 2022
    August Abolins wrote to Dmitry Protasoff <=-

    What about yt-dlp?
    https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp

    I dunno.. DOES it manage to achieve faster downloads?

    The (very quick, unscientific test) that I just did was MUCH faster.


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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to August Abolins on Sun Jan 23 20:39:12 2022
    Hello, August!

    Saturday January 22 2022 19:52, you wrote to me:

    Thanks for the heads-up on that one. It's only for the 64bit
    on Windows, but it might be a good replacement on one of my /64
    systems just the same.

    I am pretty sure that it has 32bit version: https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/releases/tag/2022.01.21
    yt-dlp_x86.exe

    For me it works much better and faster than youtube-dl (YMMV).

    Best regards,
    dp.
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Ron Lauzon on Sun Jan 23 13:36:20 2022

    On 2022 Jan 23 10:52:00, you wrote to Rob Swindell:

    BTW, I can confirm, youtube-dl is very slow (e.g. 52.56KiB/s) these
    days. But I think it's been that way for a while now, at least for
    me.

    Same here. But only for YouTube. Other sites work much faster. So I think YouTube is throttling.

    one way to find out would be to take a look at the sources and see what user agent is being used... then change it and see what happens... it may be that the tool is identifying itself and a more generic browser UA could be used...

    [edit]

    i just found the --dump-user-agent command line option... i don't see anything that appears to allow one to specify a different UA...

    $ /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl --dump-user-agent
    Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/73.0.3683.50 Safari/537.36

    of course, YT might also be analyzing how the downloads are being done and throttling based on certain flow patterns they are seeing...

    but then i look at the following and wonder...

    $ /usr/local/bin/yt-dlp --dump-user-agent
    Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/91.0.4472.164 Safari/537.36

    the only difference i see is the Chrome version... hummm :thinking:

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Dmitry Protasoff on Mon Jan 24 13:39:00 2022
    Hello Dmitry Protasoff!

    ** On Sunday 23.01.22 - 20:39, Dmitry Protasoff wrote to August Abolins:

    I am pretty sure that it has 32bit version: https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/releases/tag/2022.01.21
    yt-dlp_x86.exe

    I did not pay attention to that one further down the list of
    releases. Thx.

    For me it works much better and faster than youtube-dl (YMMV).

    Looking forward to trying it.
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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Ron Lauzon on Mon Jan 24 13:45:00 2022
    Hello Ron Lauzon!

    ** On Sunday 23.01.22 - 10:52, Ron Lauzon wrote to Rob Swindell:

    BTW, I can confirm, youtube-dl is very slow (e.g.
    52.56KiB/s) these days. But I think it's been that way
    for a while now, at least for me.

    Same here. But only for YouTube. Other sites work much
    faster. So I think YouTube is throttling.

    youtube-dl seemed to keep up with the barriers it was facing on
    YT with reasonable updates every now and then. Too bad, it
    stopped development.
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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to August Abolins on Tue Jan 25 08:19:00 2022
    August Abolins wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    youtube-dl seemed to keep up with the barriers it was facing on
    YT with reasonable updates every now and then. Too bad, it
    stopped development.

    I just did a check (youtube-dl -U) and I'm up to date with a version date or 2021.12.17.

    That doesn't seem to me like they stopped development.

    I do recall that they went through a hosting problem some time ago so that you needed to reinstall youtube-dl because doing a 'youtube-dl -U' with the old version went to the old server, which wasn't there anymore.


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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Ron Lauzon on Tue Jan 25 18:15:00 2022
    Hello Ron Lauzon!

    ** On Tuesday 25.01.22 - 08:19, Ron Lauzon wrote to August Abolins:

    I just did a check (youtube-dl -U) and I'm up to date with a version date or 2021.12.17.

    That doesn't seem to me like they stopped development.

    That's pretty good then. My -U was always failing. The last
    version that I have is 2021.06.06


    I do recall that they went through a hosting problem some time ago so
    that you needed to reinstall youtube-dl because doing a 'youtube-dl -U' with the old version went to the old server, which wasn't there anymore.

    I will dl from the site and run that one.

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757 to Dmitry Protasoff on Fri Jan 28 11:53:38 2022
    Hello, August!
    Saturday January 22 2022 19:52, you wrote to me:
    Thanks for the heads-up on that one. It's only for the 64bit
    on Windows, but it might be a good replacement on one of my /64
    systems just the same.
    I am pretty sure that it has 32bit version: https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/releases/tag/2022.01.21
    yt-dlp_x86.exe
    For me it works much better and faster than youtube-dl (YMMV).
    Best regards,
    dp.


    THIS one operates in full speed. THX!

    youtube-dl -f 18 https://youtu.be/vIeFt88Hm8s
    [youtube] vIeFt88Hm8s: Downloading webpage [download] Destination: Joe Rogan Experience #1208 - Jordan Peterson-vIeFt88Hm8s.mp4
    [download] 100% of 457.40MiB in 02:44:07
    ^^^^^^^
    yt-dlp -f 18 https://youtu.be/vIeFt88Hm8s
    [youtube] vIeFt88Hm8s: Downloading webpage [youtube] vIeFt88Hm8s: Downloading android player API JSON [youtube] vIeFt88Hm8s: Downloading player 495d0f2b [info] vIeFt88Hm8s: Downloading 1 format(s): 18 [download] Destination: Joe Rogan Experience #1208 - Jordan Peterson [vIeFt88Hm8s].mp4
    [download] 4.7% of 457.40MiB at 610.51KiB/s ETA 12:11
    ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^


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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Dmitry Protasoff on Sun Feb 6 13:28:00 2022
    Hello Dmitry Protasoff!

    ** On Sunday 23.01.22 - 20:39, Dmitry Protasoff wrote to August Abolins:

    I am pretty sure that it has 32bit version: https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/releases/tag/2022.01.21
    yt-dlp_x86.exe

    For me it works much better and faster than youtube-dl (YMMV).

    Confirmed. yt-dlp is full-speed even on YT.

    But the yt-dlp_x86.exe version does not run on my XP/32. :(

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