• The new way to showoff in Fidonet ;)

    From Kees van Eeten@2:280/5006.4 to All on Tue Jun 6 00:31:46 2017
    Hello All!

    Not really new, but it is getting tracktion. ;)

    2001:470:1f15:cb0:f1d0:2:221:6
    2001:470:26:6c0::f257:f1d0
    2001:980:42ea:1:f1d0:2:280:5003
    2001:980:42ea:1:f1d0:2:280:5006
    2001:981:8a54:1:f1d0:2:280:464
    2601:193:c400:bab6:f1d0:1:320:219
    2607:f2c0:a000:54:f1d0:1:249:303
    2a01:4f8:131:32aa:f1d0:2:5020:545

    Kees

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Kees van Eeten on Tue Jun 6 01:07:56 2017
    Hello Kees,

    On Tuesday June 06 2017 00:31, you wrote to All:

    Not really new, but it is getting tracktion. ;)

    2001:470:1f15:cb0:f1d0:2:221:6
    2001:470:26:6c0::f257:f1d0
    2001:980:42ea:1:f1d0:2:280:5003
    2001:980:42ea:1:f1d0:2:280:5006
    2001:981:8a54:1:f1d0:2:280:464
    2601:193:c400:bab6:f1d0:1:320:219
    2607:f2c0:a000:54:f1d0:1:249:303
    2a01:4f8:131:32aa:f1d0:2:5020:545

    OK, I will humour you and play your game. TTL is set to 3600, so have some patience for the DNS, but the raw address should connect.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Kees van Eeten on Tue Jun 6 01:45:52 2017
    Hello Kees,

    Tuesday June 06 2017 01:07, I wrote to you:

    OK, I will humour you and play your game. TTL is set to 3600, so have
    some patience for the DNS, but the raw address should connect.

    Hmmm... it seems that forced power cut of last Saturday and/or the reset of my modem/router has caused a change of my IPv6 prefix... :-(

    So it will take a little bit longer for things to stabilize....


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Kees van Eeten on Tue Jun 6 09:09:00 2017
    Good ${greeting_time}, Kees!

    06 Jun 2017 00:31:46, you wrote to All:

    Not really new, but it is getting tracktion. ;) 2001:470:1f15:cb0:f1d0:2:221:6
    [...]
    2a01:4f8:131:32aa:f1d0:2:5020:545

    Hexspeak is here since 1980-es. IPv6 could be called "new" for Fidonet, but FTS-5004.001 is here since 2013-01-06, so there's nothing new in using IPv6 addresses similar to published examples.

    Yes, I was the first who used ::f1d0:2:5020:545 address, so I had wrote the FSP-1035 just to release this idea to the public domain and promote it :-)

    Or did anyone expected something serious?


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  • From Kees van Eeten@2:280/5003.4 to Alexey Vissarionov on Tue Jun 6 12:13:46 2017
    Hello Alexey!

    06 Jun 17 09:09, you wrote to me:

    Hexspeak is here since 1980-es. IPv6 could be called "new" for Fidonet, but FTS-5004.001 is here since 2013-01-06, so there's nothing new in using IPv6 addresses similar to published examples.

    I did not say there was anything new, just that a habit was gaining tracktion.

    Yes, I was the first who used ::f1d0:2:5020:545 address, so I had
    wrote
    the FSP-1035 just to release this idea to the public domain and promote it :-)

    I know you did.

    Or did anyone expected something serious?

    No, but now 8 out of 52 nodes are using it.


    Kees

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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Kees van Eeten on Tue Jun 6 13:56:48 2017
    Hi Kees!

    06 Jun 2017 00:31, from Kees van Eeten -> All:

    Not really new, but it is getting tracktion. ;) 2001:470:1f15:cb0:f1d0:2:221:6
    2001:470:26:6c0::f257:f1d0
    2001:980:42ea:1:f1d0:2:280:5003
    2001:980:42ea:1:f1d0:2:280:5006
    2001:981:8a54:1:f1d0:2:280:464
    2601:193:c400:bab6:f1d0:1:320:219
    2607:f2c0:a000:54:f1d0:1:249:303
    2a01:4f8:131:32aa:f1d0:2:5020:545

    Just wanted to add it to my vserver ... then I saw this:
    ip addr add 2a03:4000:13:1fd:f1d0:2:310:31 dev eth0

    I was just too lazy to migrate my FTN system to that vserver ...

    BTW when I do I will be using netcups dualstack (not that DS-Lite rubbish :)

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Richard Menedetter on Tue Jun 6 15:26:16 2017
    Good ${greeting_time}, Richard!

    06 Jun 2017 13:56:48, you wrote to Kees van Eeten:

    Not really new, but it is getting tracktion. ;)
    2001:470:1f15:cb0:f1d0:2:221:6
    2001:470:26:6c0::f257:f1d0
    2001:980:42ea:1:f1d0:2:280:5003
    2001:980:42ea:1:f1d0:2:280:5006
    2001:981:8a54:1:f1d0:2:280:464
    2601:193:c400:bab6:f1d0:1:320:219
    2607:f2c0:a000:54:f1d0:1:249:303
    2a01:4f8:131:32aa:f1d0:2:5020:545
    Just wanted to add it to my vserver ... then I saw this:
    ip addr add 2a03:4000:13:1fd:f1d0:2:310:31 dev eth0

    Most likely you should use 2a03:4000:13:1fd:f1d0:2:310:31/64 instead.


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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Alexey Vissarionov on Tue Jun 6 14:40:06 2017
    Hi Alexey!

    06 Jun 2017 15:26, from Alexey Vissarionov -> Richard Menedetter:

    Just wanted to add it to my vserver ... then I saw this:
    ip addr add 2a03:4000:13:1fd:f1d0:2:310:31 dev eth0
    Most likely you should use 2a03:4000:13:1fd:f1d0:2:310:31/64 instead.

    Why?
    Per default it creates only the address (/128) which I basically think that I want.

    It currently looks like this:
    inet6 addr: fe80::5837:10ff:fe0c:926f/64 Scope:Link
    inet6 addr: 2a03:4000:13:1fd::1/128 Scope:Global
    inet6 addr: 2a03:4000:13:1fd:f1d0:2:310:31/128 Scope:Global

    I see no issue with it.
    It is also reachable via IPv6 on both addresses without problems ...

    Why should I change it?

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Kees van Eeten on Tue Jun 6 16:50:47 2017
    Hello Kees,

    Tuesday June 06 2017 01:45, I wrote to you:

    Hmmm... it seems that forced power cut of last Saturday and/or the
    reset of my modem/router has caused a change of my IPv6 prefix... :-(

    So it will take a little bit longer for things to stabilize....

    2001:1c02:1100:d700:f1d0:2:280:5555 should work now, but I am not sure I won't go back to using the SLAAC address.

    My ISP does not issue static addresses and contrary with IPv4, with IPv6 one can not rely on the adresses not changing as long as the WAN MAC address of the router does not change.

    A static configured address and IPv6 DDNS probably do not go together...


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Kees van Eeten@2:280/5003.4 to Richard Menedetter on Tue Jun 6 16:32:18 2017
    Hello Richard!

    06 Jun 17 13:56, you wrote to me:

    Just wanted to add it to my vserver ... then I saw this:
    ip addr add 2a03:4000:13:1fd:f1d0:2:310:31 dev eth0

    I was just too lazy to migrate my FTN system to that vserver ...

    I guess there could be advantages to hosting Fido on a VPS.

    BTW when I do I will be using netcups dualstack (not that DS-Lite
    rubbish
    :)

    By the time I am forced to DS-Lite, I may not care about IPv4.

    Maybe VPN services will become available, that will provide you with a
    public IPv4/(IPv6) address, instead of anonymity and relocation.

    Kees

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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Kees van Eeten on Tue Jun 6 19:50:00 2017
    Good ${greeting_time}, Kees!

    06 Jun 2017 16:32:18, you wrote to Richard Menedetter:

    I was just too lazy to migrate my FTN system to that vserver ...
    I guess there could be advantages to hosting Fido on a VPS.

    Yes. Especially when you also own (or at least control) the host.


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  • From Kees van Eeten@2:280/5003.4 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tue Jun 6 19:13:26 2017
    Hello Michiel!

    06 Jun 17 16:50, you wrote to me:

    MvdV> 2001:1c02:1100:d700:f1d0:2:280:5555 should work now, but I am not sure I
    MvdV> won't go back to using the SLAAC address.

    MvdV> My ISP does not issue static addresses and contrary with IPv4, with IPv6
    MvdV> one can not rely on the adresses not changing as long as the WAN MAC
    MvdV> address of the router does not change.

    MvdV> A static configured address and IPv6 DDNS probably do not go together...

    Why not, as long as you ajust the prefix, all should be well.
    It only requires smarter scripts to set the static address and update the
    DDNS. You can make a habit of separating prefix and local part. In that
    case you can ignore the prefix in your config files.

    Kees

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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Kees van Eeten on Tue Jun 6 21:01:42 2017
    Hi Kees!

    06 Jun 2017 16:32, from Kees van Eeten -> Richard Menedetter:

    I guess there could be advantages to hosting Fido on a VPS.

    Yes ... I guess so massively myself ;)

    By the time I am forced to DS-Lite, I may not care about IPv4.

    My ISP offers only DS-Lite for new customers.
    So if my CPE dies then I have an issue.
    (currently I have a quasi static v4 address)

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Kees van Eeten@2:280/5003.4 to Alexey Vissarionov on Tue Jun 6 21:17:36 2017
    Hello Alexey!

    06 Jun 17 19:50, you wrote to me:

    I was just too lazy to migrate my FTN system to that vserver ...
    I guess there could be advantages to hosting Fido on a VPS.

    Yes. Especially when you also own (or at least control) the host.

    I have been doing that for years, but this time I was thinking of the
    type you can rent for, let's say 3 Euro's a month and is hosted at some
    company providing these services.

    You have no worries about aging of hardware, or availabillity of the network.
    Just make sure you have a good backup. No nat routers and probably
    dual stack for years to come. Network speeds may also be quite generous.



    Kees

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Richard Menedetter on Tue Jun 6 21:19:28 2017
    Hello Richard,

    On Tuesday June 06 2017 21:01, you wrote to Kees van Eeten:

    By the time I am forced to DS-Lite, I may not care about IPv4.

    My ISP offers only DS-Lite for new customers.
    So if my CPE dies then I have an issue.

    Here Liberty Glabal's daughter offers putting you on IPv4 only as an alternative. Then you have a public IPv4 address, but no IPv6.

    But... all is not lost if you are forced on DS-Lite. Read my Fidonews article of 15 May of this year. Running a Fidonet node from a DS-Lite connaction /is/ doable!


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Kees van Eeten on Tue Jun 6 21:58:02 2017
    Hello Kees,

    On Tuesday June 06 2017 19:13, you wrote to me:

    MvdV>> with IPv6 one can not rely on the adresses not changing as long
    MvdV>> as the WAN MAC address of the router does not change.

    MvdV>> A static configured address and IPv6 DDNS probably do not go
    MvdV>> together...

    Why not, as long as you ajust the prefix, all should be well.

    To adjust the prefix, one has to know what the new prefix is... If I maually configure a static address in WIn XP, all the other public IPv6 adresses disappear. When the prefix chages, that system will not be able to communcate with the outside world via IPv6. To get to know the new prefix, the system running the script will have to interrogate the router. The router does not have a proper interface for that.

    It only requires smarter scripts to set the static address and update
    the DDNS. You can make a habit of separating prefix and local part. In that case you can ignore the prefix in your config files.

    Hmmm.. I haven't even figured out how to automatically update the DNS without the complication of not having the new prefix available at the system running the script. I think I will cross that bridge first...


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Richard Menedetter on Tue Jun 6 15:27:18 2017
    On 6/6/2017 6:56 AM, Richard Menedetter -> Kees van Eeten wrote:

    Not really new, but it is getting tracktion. ;)
    2001:470:1f15:cb0:f1d0:2:221:6
    2001:470:26:6c0::f257:f1d0
    2001:980:42ea:1:f1d0:2:280:5003
    2001:980:42ea:1:f1d0:2:280:5006
    2001:981:8a54:1:f1d0:2:280:464
    2601:193:c400:bab6:f1d0:1:320:219
    2607:f2c0:a000:54:f1d0:1:249:303
    2a01:4f8:131:32aa:f1d0:2:5020:545

    Just wanted to add it to my vserver ... then I saw this:
    ip addr add 2a03:4000:13:1fd:f1d0:2:310:31 dev eth0

    Will that command save when you reboot the machine? Or do you have to add it somewhere permanent?

    --
    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Kees van Eeten@2:280/5003.4 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tue Jun 6 22:30:00 2017
    Hello Michiel!

    06 Jun 17 21:58, you wrote to me:

    Why not, as long as you ajust the prefix, all should be well.

    MvdV> To adjust the prefix, one has to know what the new prefix is... If I
    MvdV> maually configure a static address in WIn XP, all the other public IPv6
    MvdV> adresses disappear. When the prefix chages, that system will not be able
    MvdV> to communcate with the outside world via IPv6. To get to know the new
    MvdV> prefix, the system running the script will have to interrogate the
    MvdV> router. The router does not have a proper interface for that.

    Time to change to an OS where networking was not added as an aftertought.

    It only requires smarter scripts to set the static address and update
    the DDNS. You can make a habit of separating prefix and local part. In
    that case you can ignore the prefix in your config files.

    MvdV> Hmmm.. I haven't even figured out how to automatically update the DNS
    MvdV> without the complication of not having the new prefix available at the
    MvdV> system running the script. I think I will cross that bridge first...

    Cannot you autoconfigure first and then add the static address?
    Oh, no, you lose all the others. ;(

    Kees

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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Nicholas Boel on Tue Jun 6 23:50:50 2017
    Good ${greeting_time}, Nicholas!

    06 Jun 2017 15:27:18, you wrote to Richard Menedetter:

    Just wanted to add it to my vserver ... then I saw this:
    ip addr add 2a03:4000:13:1fd:f1d0:2:310:31 dev eth0
    Will that command save when you reboot the machine?

    No - it does just what it is asked to do: adds given address to the network device.

    Or do you have to add it somewhere permanent?

    Obviously: yes.
    Have you ever tried to run some GNU/Linux system?


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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Richard Menedetter on Tue Jun 6 15:57:28 2017
    On 6/6/2017 6:56 AM, Richard Menedetter -> Kees van Eeten wrote:

    Just wanted to add it to my vserver ... then I saw this:
    ip addr add 2a03:4000:13:1fd:f1d0:2:310:31 dev eth0

    Disregard my last post. I should now be reachable at 2605:a000:140d:403b:f1d0:1:154:10, and my nodelisted domain should be using it now, if not very shortly.

    --
    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Kees van Eeten@2:280/5003.6 to Nicholas Boel on Wed Jun 7 00:16:20 2017

    Hello Nicholas!

    06 Jun 17 15:57, you wrote to Richard Menedetter:

    On 6/6/2017 6:56 AM, Richard Menedetter -> Kees van Eeten wrote:

    Just wanted to add it to my vserver ... then I saw this:
    ip addr add 2a03:4000:13:1fd:f1d0:2:310:31 dev eth0

    Disregard my last post. I should now be reachable at 2605:a000:140d:403b:f1d0:1:154:10, and my nodelisted domain should be using it now, if not very shortly.

    07 Jun 00:16:51 [28893] trying binkp.pharcyde.org [2605:a000:140d:403b:f1d0:1:154:10]...
    07 Jun 00:16:51 [28893] connected
    + 07 Jun 00:16:51 [28893] outgoing session with binkp.pharcyde.org:24554 [2605:a000:140d:403b:f1d0:1:154:10]

    Kees


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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Kees van Eeten on Wed Jun 7 00:43:52 2017
    Hello Kees,

    On Tuesday June 06 2017 22:30, you wrote to me:

    MvdV>> To adjust the prefix, one has to know what the new prefix is...
    MvdV>> If I maually configure a static address in WIn XP, all the
    MvdV>> other public IPv6 adresses disappear. When the prefix chages,
    MvdV>> that system will not be able to communcate with the outside
    MvdV>> world via IPv6. To get to know the new prefix, the system
    MvdV>> running the script will have to interrogate the router. The
    MvdV>> router does not have a proper interface for that.

    Time to change to an OS where networking was not added as an
    aftertought.

    That I have not figured out how to combine a manually configured "vanity IPV6 address" with a dynamic prefix, may very well be due to my shortcomings instead of that of the OS I use. I have not seen aynone else do it with /any/ OS. TTMBOK, all using these vanity adresses have static prefixes.

    Since the invention of url's, IP addresses were never meant to look "nice" anyway, So this is just a fad. If I can make it work, fine. But I am not going to change OS just for that.

    It only requires smarter scripts to set the static address and
    update the DDNS. You can make a habit of separating prefix and
    local part. In that case you can ignore the prefix in your
    config files.

    MvdV>> Hmmm.. I haven't even figured out how to automatically update
    MvdV>> the DNS without the complication of not having the new prefix
    MvdV>> available at the system running the script. I think I will
    MvdV>> cross that bridge first...

    Cannot you autoconfigure first and then add the static address?

    Maybe. I may find a way after all.

    Oh, no, you lose all the others. ;(

    There may be a way around that which I have not found yet.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Alexey Vissarionov on Wed Jun 7 15:22:06 2017
    On 6/6/2017 3:50 PM, Alexey Vissarionov -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    No - it does just what it is asked to do: adds given address to the network device.

    Seems to work just fine.

    Or do you have to add it somewhere permanent?

    Obviously: yes.

    I was waiting for the "ip token set" command to work on my raspberry pi, but since I'm on kernel 4.30.x now and it still errors when I run it, maybe they're not going to port it over for ARM devices.

    Have you ever tried to run some GNU/Linux system?

    Was that supposed to be some kind of insult? If so, you should probably try to make sure your grammar is correct beforehand. Otherwise, you make yourself look stupid while trying to do it to others.

    --
    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Nicholas Boel on Sat Jun 17 15:50:18 2017
    Hi Nicholas!

    06 Jun 2017 15:27, from Nicholas Boel -> Richard Menedetter:

    Just wanted to add it to my vserver ... then I saw this:
    ip addr add 2a03:4000:13:1fd:f1d0:2:310:31 dev eth0
    Will that command save when you reboot the machine?
    Or do you have to add it somewhere permanent?

    I added it in one of the bootup scripts.

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Nicholas Boel on Sat Jun 17 15:51:40 2017
    Hi Nicholas!

    06 Jun 2017 15:57, from Nicholas Boel -> Richard Menedetter:

    Disregard my last post.
    I should now be reachable at 2605:a000:140d:403b:f1d0:1:154:10,
    and my nodelisted domain should be using it now, if not very shortly.

    Correct!

    outgoing session with binkp.pharcyde.org:24554 [2605:a000:140d:403b:f1d0:1:154:10]

    CU, Ricsi

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