In a message on Tuesday 10-16-16 Roger Nelson said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Roger,

goes for any time of day, <BG>.

Hej, (I forgot the Swedish word for morning, but I'll take a

I think it's m¢rgon, but am unsure.

Close but not a spike.
It's really very simple, Good morning, in swedish is God morgon.

All you have to do for that is change your upgrade settings; i.e., download, but do not install without your okay. I do that here.

Yes I know, but I haven't found that setting, even though I have
tried.

It seems to me that I may have found that setting sometime, because I
have an icon on the screen, that says 'Windows10 Upgrade Assistant'.
Clicking on that gives a very meagry description of the upgrade, and
a slider that presently is set near the top. That's OK.

What version of Windows are you using on your OS/2 machine? (-:

See above, but it's not on an OS/2 machine. So far those machines run
only OS/2.

That takes me back. Too bad they couldn't produce a more affordable
Amiga. That was a heck of a machine, but no one was writing programs
for it.

Since I wasn't interested in 'game machine', I never paid attention to
the price of it, nor compared it to the price of an IBM compatible.

But it can't have been very expensive, because my GS was only schoolboy
when he got it, unless he was sponsored by somebody.

The reason why nobody wrote programs for it, was that it was
considered to be only a game machine, as were the earlier
Commodores.

No matter what it was referred as, any computer with contiguous
memory would have been a success, at least with me, but I'm only one

friend bring his Amiga in for a demo to the rest of those who showed
up and I can tell you I was impressd from the outset.

I never tried the Amiga, but reading the manual impresses me still.

There were in fact a few (a couple ?) office programs written for
it, but the Amiga never took off.

I did manage to convert an Amiga BASIC program so it would run on an
IBM compatible.

I started programming in assembler, when I found that Basic wasn't good
enough to manage large and fast programs, on my Sinclair ZX-81.

Then I bought a CP/M machine, and converted earlier made Basic programs
to Turbo Pascal. After switching to an IBM compatible, I did also try
Turbo C, Modula and CA Realizer.

If it had, even OS/2 would have been superfluos. It was that
capable.

Maybe so, but we'll never know.

Have a nice day,

Ha en bra dag, in swedish,

Holger

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On Tue Oct-18-2016 09:40, Holger Granholm (2:20/228) wrote to Roger Nelson:

In a message on Tuesday 10-16-16 Roger Nelson said to Holger
Granholm:

Hej,

goes for any time of day, <BG>.

I'll stick with Hej, then. (-:

Hej, (I forgot the Swedish word for morning, but I'll take a

I think it's m¢rgon, but am unsure.

Close but not a spike.
It's really very simple, Good morning, in swedish is God morgon.

Well, if I can't finish in 1st place, 2nd place will have to do.

All you have to do for that is change your upgrade settings; i.e., download, but do not install without your okay. I do that here.

Yes I know, but I haven't found that setting, even though I have
tried.

It seems to me that I may have found that setting sometime, because
I have an icon on the screen, that says 'Windows10 Upgrade
Assistant'. Clicking on that gives a very meagry description of the upgrade, and a slider that presently is set near the top. That's
OK.

I'll check on that later.

What version of Windows are you using on your OS/2 machine? (-:

See above, but it's not on an OS/2 machine. So far those machines
run only OS/2.

I knew that question mark was going to get me in trouble.

That takes me back. Too bad they couldn't produce a more affordable
Amiga. That was a heck of a machine, but no one was writing programs
for it.

Since I wasn't interested in 'game machine', I never paid attention
to the price of it, nor compared it to the price of an IBM
compatible.

Ah, but it was more than that. The approximate $3,500 price tag for the machine that was demon'd to the club put off a lot of prospective buyers -- me included. The local Apple dudes were stuck-up snobs and didn't demo their Macintoshes until after I resigned as president of the club. On the other hand, the Commodore and TI people were great. The club ceased to exist not long after I left.

But it can't have been very expensive, because my GS was only
schoolboy when he got it, unless he was sponsored by somebody.

See above. There may have been a discount for those students in school, but I didn't think of that at that time.

The reason why nobody wrote programs for it, was that it was
considered to be only a game machine, as were the earlier
Commodores.

I must be one of the rare ones who recognized its potential.

friend bring his Amiga in for a demo to the rest of those who showed
up and I can tell you I was impressd from the outset.

I never tried the Amiga, but reading the manual impresses me still.

You should have seen it in action. Very impressive.

There were in fact a few (a couple ?) office programs written for
it, but the Amiga never took off.

I ws teaching myself BASIC at the time and didn't pay much attention to other stuff.

I did manage to convert an Amiga BASIC program so it would run on an
IBM compatible.

I started programming in assembler, when I found that Basic wasn't
good enough to manage large and fast programs, on my Sinclair
ZX-81.

I wanted to go to university for that, but two of my computer programmer friends talked me out of it. They told me to stick with BASIC and all of the other things that subsequently came along; COBOL. FORTRAN. etc.

Then I bought a CP/M machine, and converted earlier made Basic
programs to Turbo Pascal. After switching to an IBM compatible, I
did also try Turbo C, Modula and CA Realizer.

That's another language I wanted to get into, but life got in the way.

If it had, even OS/2 would have been superfluos. It was that
capable.

Yes.

Ha en bra dag. (-:-)


Regards,

Roger
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Following up a message from Roger Nelson to Holger Granholm:

On Tue Oct-18-2016 09:40, Holger Granholm (2:20/228) wrote to Roger Nelson:

In a message on Tuesday 10-16-16 Roger Nelson said to Holger
Granholm:

Hej,

[...]

It seems to me that I may have found that setting sometime, because
I have an icon on the screen, that says 'Windows10 Upgrade
Assistant'. Clicking on that gives a very meagry description of the upgrade, and a slider that presently is set near the top. That's
OK.

The explanation made, when clicking "Read more" made no sense at all, except maybe what it does is allow the beta versions to come into your system. I turned that off.


Regards,

Roger
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In a message on Friday 10-20-16 Roger Nelson said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Roger,

Hej,

goes for any time of day, <BG>.

Well, if I can't finish in 1st place, 2nd place will have to do.

That's a good attitude.
I have also had to settle for the silver medal in both nordic and finnish racing masterships, but in ham radio contests I have reached gold.

All you have to do for that is change your upgrade settings; i.e., download, but do not install without your okay. I do that here.

Maybe that is why the Windows Upgrade Assistant icon is up there on my
desktop.

Ah, but it was more than that. The approximate $3,500 price tag for
the machine that was demon'd to the club put off a lot of buyers --

That would also have put me outside the list.

But it can't have been very expensive, because my GS was only

See above. There may have been a discount for those students in
school, but I didn't think of that at that time.

Maybe that was the reason he could afford it, or maybe his best friends
parents did sponsor the machine, since his friend had one.

I'll have to ask him, when I remember.

I must be one of the rare ones who recognized its potential.

I did too, after reading the 'AmigaDOS Inside&Out' manual.

You should have seen it in action. Very impressive.

I did of course have the chance, but I missed it, because my GS lived
with us at the time.

I wanted to go to university for that, but two of my computer
programmer friends talked me out of it. They told me to stick with
BASIC and all of the other things that subsequently came along;

I guess they never got into the computer world.


Have a good day,

Holger

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On Fri Oct-21-2016 09:41, Holger Granholm (2:20/228) wrote to Roger Nelson:

In a message on Friday 10-20-16 Roger Nelson said to Holger
Granholm:

Hej,

goes for any time of day, <BG>.

Well, if I can't finish in 1st place, 2nd place will have to do.

That's a good attitude.

I wish I could say it's original, but I borrowed it from a pro golfer named Gary Player.

I have also had to settle for the silver medal in both nordic and
finnish racing masterships, but in ham radio contests I have
reached gold.

When I was in grade school back in New Orleans, we were unbeatable.

All you have to do for that is change your upgrade settings; i.e., download, but do not install without your okay. I do that here.

Maybe that is why the Windows Upgrade Assistant icon is up there on
my desktop.

It's on mine, too, but I ignore it. (-:

[...]

I must be one of the rare ones who recognized its potential.

I did too, after reading the 'AmigaDOS Inside&Out' manual.

I may or may not have seen the manual. It was 20 years ago and I'm sure some other memory has displaced it.

You should have seen it in action. Very impressive.

I did of course have the chance, but I missed it, because my GS
lived with us at the time.

Too bad.

I wanted to go to university for that, but two of my computer
programmer friends talked me out of it. They told me to stick with
BASIC and all of the other things that subsequently came along;

I guess they never got into the computer world.

Maybe not, but they were and still are very good programmers. One of them is in charge of the city's computerized operation of traffic signals and the other
one moved out of state.

Have a good day,

You too.


Regards,

Roger
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In a message on Sunday 10-21-16 Roger Nelson said to Holger Granholm:

Good morning Roger,

It seems to me that I may have found that setting sometime, because
I have an icon on the screen, that says 'Windows10 Upgrade
Assistant'. Clicking on that gives a very meagry description of the upgrade, and a slider that presently is set near the top. That's
OK.

The explanation made, when clicking "Read more" made no sense at
all, except maybe what it does is allow the beta versions to come
into your system. I turned that off.

No, it doesn't to me either, so I didn't activate that 'upgrade'.
I'll let it rest there on the desktop, until I get more meat on the
bones.


Have a nice day,

Holger

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In a message on Monday 10-23-16 Roger Nelson said to Holger Granholm:

Good morning Roger,

Well, if I can't finish in 1st place, 2nd place will have to do.

I wish I could say it's original, but I borrowed it from a pro
golfer named Gary Player.

Doesn't matter, it's still a good attitude.

All you have to do for that is change your upgrade settings; i.e., download, but do not install without your okay. I do that here.

Maybe that is why the Windows Upgrade Assistant icon is up there on
my desktop.

It's on mine, too, but I ignore it. (-:

I will too, unless I get some better info of what it does.

I may or may not have seen the manual. It was 20 years ago and I'm
sure some other memory has displaced it.

I'm not inclined right now, to go to the room where the book is, to find
out when it was printed.

I guess they never got into the computer world.

Maybe not, but they were and still are very good programmers. One
of them is in charge of the city's computerized operation of traffic signals and the other one moved out of state.

Nice going.


Have a nice day,

Holger

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On Mon Oct-24-2016 09:42, Holger Granholm (2:20/228) wrote to Roger Nelson:

In a message on Monday 10-23-16 Roger Nelson said to Holger
Granholm:

Hej,

Well, if I can't finish in 1st place, 2nd place will have to do.

I wish I could say it's original, but I borrowed it from a pro
golfer named Gary Player.

Doesn't matter, it's still a good attitude.

I like it, too, but I still like to finish in 1st place.

[...]

I will too, unless I get some better info of what it does.

Yeah, the "Read more" is no help at all. It must have been a real struggle for
them to put that there. (-:

I may or may not have seen the manual. It was 20 years ago and I'm
sure some other memory has displaced it.

I'm not inclined right now, to go to the room where the book is, to
find out when it was printed.

No hurry, but as I'm so fond of saying, 'Do it while you can'.

I guess they never got into the computer world.

Maybe not, but they were and still are very good programmers. One
of them is in charge of the city's computerized operation of traffic signals and the other one moved out of state.

Nice going.

I don't know what the one who moved out of state is doing, but he was the better programmer of the two.

Have a nice day,

Et tu.


Regards,

Roger
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In a message on Friday 10-27-16 Roger Nelson said to Holger Granholm:

Good morning Roger,

Yeah, the "Read more" is no help at all. It must have been a real
struggle for them to put that there. (-:

I read an article, in a puter magazine of course, about an anniversary
upgrade to Win10, but I have no idea if that's what I've got.

I may or may not have seen the manual. It was 20 years ago and I'm
sure some other memory has displaced it.

I'm not inclined right now, to go to the room where the book is, to
find out when it was printed.

I did get up my ass from the chair now, and checked the Amiga DOS
manual, it's printed 1988. I had almost forgotten WHAT manual we were
talking about.

No hurry, but as I'm so fond of saying, 'Do it while you can'.

I did it, I did it!!


Have a good day,

Holger

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On Fri Oct-28-2016 09:49, Holger Granholm (2:20/228) wrote to Roger Nelson:

In a message on Friday 10-27-16 Roger Nelson said to Holger
Granholm:

Hej,

Yeah, the "Read more" is no help at all. It must have been a real
struggle for them to put that there. (-:

I read an article, in a puter magazine of course, about an
anniversary upgrade to Win10, but I have no idea if that's what
I've got.

Simple enough to find out. Click Start > Settings > System > scroll down the left pane to About and click on it. If you have the anniversary update, it will show 1607, just like it shows on my tearline below.

I believe the one before that was 1533, but I could be wrong. It was 15-something, however. (-:

I may or may not have seen the manual. It was 20 years ago and I'm
sure some other memory has displaced it.

I'm not inclined right now, to go to the room where the book is, to
find out when it was printed.

I did get up my ass from the chair now, and checked the Amiga DOS
manual, it's printed 1988. I had almost forgotten WHAT manual we
were talking about.

The 1st time I saw the demo, it was in the early 1990s, when I was coerced into
heading our local computer club.

No hurry, but as I'm so fond of saying, 'Do it while you can'.

I did it, I did it!!

YEA!

Have a good day,

You too!


Regards,

Roger
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In a message on Monday 10-29-16 Roger Nelson said to Holger Granholm:

Good afternoon Roger,

If you're on some US summertime, that should be correct.

I read an article, in a puter magazine of course, about an
anniversary upgrade to Win10, but I have no idea if that's what
I've got.

Simple enough to find out. Click Start > Settings > System > scroll
down the left pane to About and click on it. If you have the
anniversary update, it will show 1607, just like it shows on my
tearline below.

Thanks for the instruktions, they will certainly help.

I believe the one before that was 1533, but I could be wrong. It
was 15-something, however. (-:

OK.

I did get up my ass from the chair now, and checked the Amiga DOS
manual, it's printed 1988.

The 1st time I saw the demo, it was in the early 1990s, when I was
coerced into heading our local computer club.

IIRC the machine the GS had, was the Amiga 500. I may be wrong however.


Have a nice day,

Holger

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On Mon Oct-31-2016 09:51, Holger Granholm (2:20/228) wrote to Roger Nelson:

In a message on Monday 10-29-16 Roger Nelson said to Holger
Granholm:

Hej,

If you're on some US summertime, that should be correct.

No, I'm on US Fall (Central Daylight Time). We return to Central Standard Time
this coming Sunday. I wish it would stay that way all year long. Too tough on
bodies whose cells aren't reproducing as fast as they once did. (-:

I read an article, in a puter magazine of course, about an
anniversary upgrade to Win10, but I have no idea if that's what
I've got.

Simple enough to find out. Click Start > Settings > System > scroll
down the left pane to About and click on it. If you have the
anniversary update, it will show 1607, just like it shows on my
tearline below.

Thanks for the instruktions, they will certainly help.

About the middle of the screen will display the Version number. If it's 1607, then you have the anniversary release.

I believe the one before that was 1533, but I could be wrong. It
was 15-something, however. (-:

OK.

I did get up my ass from the chair now, and checked the Amiga DOS
manual, it's printed 1988.

The 1st time I saw the demo, it was in the early 1990s, when I was
coerced into heading our local computer club.

IIRC the machine the GS had, was the Amiga 500. I may be wrong
however.

I believe that's the one we had demo'd. The RAM could be upgraded to 9 MB, I think. One could still buy ne of those on Ebay.

Have a nice day,

Et tu, Holger.


Regards,

Roger
--- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ W10 (1607)
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Following up a message from Roger Nelson to Holger Granholm:

On Mon Oct-31-2016 09:51, Holger Granholm (2:20/228) wrote to Roger Nelson:

In a message on Monday 10-29-16 Roger Nelson said to Holger
Granholm:

Hej,

[...]

IIRC the machine the GS had, was the Amiga 500. I may be wrong
however.

I believe that's the one we had demo'd. The RAM could be upgraded
to 9 MB, I think. One could still buy ne of those on Ebay.

I'd like to buy a vowel, Holger. -----------^

Have a nice day,

Et tu, Holger.

Regards,

Roger
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Regards,

Roger
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In a message on Monday 10-29-16 Roger Nelson said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Roger,

I read an article, in a puter magazine of course, about an
anniversary upgrade to Win10, .......

Simple enough to find out. Click Start > Settings > System > scroll
down the left pane to About and click on it. If you have the
anniversary update, it will show 1607, just like it shows on my
tearline below.

When I read 'pane' I interpret it to window. What I got after clicking
Settings >, was a splash covering most of the screen.

I tried to find "system", "about" and "version" without results.
Next day I clicked the icon named 'system' on the splash screen, and
there I found 'about' at the end of the list.

It showed the version to be: 1607, ie. the update. I checked again the
contents of the Windows Upgrade Assistant, and found a couple of text
files dated oct.11 2016, apparently telling the date of the upgrade.

That happens to be the date that killed my access to Facebook oct.12th.
I haven't got it working since then.

I believe the one before that was 1533, but I could be wrong. It
was 15-something, however. (-:

Yes it was apparently 1511. I started up the laptop, and before doing
anything else, I checked the 'about', and it showed 1511. You may have
done an upgrade after that, to have it show 1533.

I then started up the WiFi, and was shown that Windows had an upgrade.
It didn't ask me if it should apply it, but started downloading that immeadetely, and applied it at once.

After that, when clicking Start > and Settings >, I do now get what I
would call a 'window' (pane) on the left, that now makes me more
confused, than the previous 'splash screen', with the various icons.

OTOH, Facebook seems to work on that machine, despite the fact that I
have never used, nor logged in to FB before with it. But of course, the
user is the same, as well as the email address.


Have a nice day,

Holger

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On Wed Nov-02-2016 13:25, Holger Granholm (2:20/228) wrote to Roger Nelson:

In a message on Monday 10-29-16 Roger Nelson said to Holger
Granholm:

Hej,

I read an article, in a puter magazine of course, about an
anniversary upgrade to Win10, .......

Simple enough to find out. Click Start > Settings > System > scroll
down the left pane to About and click on it. If you have the
anniversary update, it will show 1607, just like it shows on my
tearline below.

When I read 'pane' I interpret it to window. What I got after
clicking Settings >, was a splash covering most of the screen.

Sorry. I should have put column there instead of 'pane'.

I tried to find "system", "about" and "version" without results.
Next day I clicked the icon named 'system' on the splash screen,
and there I found 'about' at the end of the list.

Great!

It showed the version to be: 1607, ie. the update. I checked again
the contents of the Windows Upgrade Assistant, and found a couple
of text files dated oct.11 2016, apparently telling the date of the upgrade.

I didn't go that far, but I still wonder why that icon is on the desktop.

That happens to be the date that killed my access to Facebook
oct.12th. I haven't got it working since then.

Wow!

I believe the one before that was 1533, but I could be wrong. It
was 15-something, however. (-:

Yes it was apparently 1511. I started up the laptop, and before
doing anything else, I checked the 'about', and it showed 1511. You
may have done an upgrade after that, to have it show 1533.

Yes, I remember now. It was 1511. Thanks.

I then started up the WiFi, and was shown that Windows had an
upgrade. It didn't ask me if it should apply it, but started
downloading that immeadetely, and applied it at once.

I'll look into that.

After that, when clicking Start > and Settings >, I do now get what
I would call a 'window' (pane) on the left, that now makes me more confused, than the previous 'splash screen', with the various
icons.

OTOH, Facebook seems to work on that machine, despite the fact that
I have never used, nor logged in to FB before with it. But of
course, the user is the same, as well as the email address.

I have a FB account, but I didn't get out while the getting was good. I haven't logged into it in a few years -- probably 4. I was talked into getting
a FB account by a Russian concert pianist and her husband who now live in Baden-Baden, Germany.

Have a nice day,

You too.


Regards,

Roger
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In a message on Thursday 11-01-16 Roger Nelson said to Holger Granholm:

Hejsan = Howdy Roger,

No, I'm on US Fall (Central Daylight Time). We return to Central
Standard Time this coming Sunday. I wish it would stay that way all

Yeah, I agree. We changed back to normal time (UTC+2) oct. 30th.
People here call it wintertime, which is stupid. Calling the DST
summertime may be ok, but it's a total waste of time and energy.

Farmers cannot change the time for the cows that have to be milked, same
time every morning, irrespective of what the hour hand on the clock says

Lately my body has accepted the time change very well, but even three
years ago it a week before my body had adapted the change.

Simple enough to find out. Click Start > Settings > System > scroll
down the left pane to About and click on it.

I'll have to startup the laptop again to study that "left pane" I got,
after the upgrade to 1607, I told you about yesterday.

IIRC the machine the GS had, was the Amiga 500. I may be wrong
however.

I believe that's the one we had demo'd. The RAM could be upgraded
to 9 MB, I think. One could still buy ne of those on Ebay.

I didn't have the proper manual to read about all it's capabilities, but
as I recall having seen in the AmigaDos manual, it seemed to be very
similar to Unix, (that we call Linux), with commands like mount etc, for
adding capabilities.


Have a good night,

Holger

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11-02-16 13:25 Holger Granholm wrote to Roger Nelson about Re: Windows settings Howdy! Holger and Roger,

@MSGID: <581C6595.15013.windowsa@capcity2.synchro.net>
In a message on Monday 10-29-16 Roger Nelson said to Holger
Granholm:

Hi Roger,

I read an article, in a puter magazine of course, about an
anniversary upgrade to Win10, .......

Simple enough to find out. Click Start > Settings > System > scroll
down the left pane to About and click on it. If you have the
anniversary update, it will show 1607, just like it shows on my
tearline below.

When I read 'pane' I interpret it to window. What I got after
clicking Settings >, was a splash covering most of the screen.

I tried to find "system", "about" and "version" without
results. Next day I clicked the icon named 'system' on the
splash screen, and there I found 'about' at the end of the
list.

It showed the version to be: 1607, ie. the update. I checked
again the contents of the Windows Upgrade Assistant, and found
a couple of text files dated oct.11 2016, apparently telling
the date of the upgrade.

That happens to be the date that killed my access to Facebook
oct.12th. I haven't got it working since then.

I believe the one before that was 1533, but I could be wrong. It
was 15-something, however. (-:

I clicked on a Link in this article by Woody Leonhard:

https://www.askwoody.com/2016/woodys-win10tip-block-forced -updates-in-windows-10/

The Link took me to:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/3138088/microsoft-windows/ woodys-win10tip-block-forced-win10-updates.html

As I was reading the article in that Link I thought of You
and Roger talking about Windows 10 when I saw in Step 1
there was a Link to learn what version of Windows 10
is being used on a computer.

Here's the Link:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/3136336/microsoft-windows/ woodys-win10tip-how-to-figure-out-your-windows-10-version.html

I Hope these Links/URL's help.

Also in Woody's article on askwoody.com (above), He had another
Link to an article on this website:

https://4sysops.com/archives/disable-updates-in-windows-10 -1607-anniversary-update-using-group-policy/

*I edited all of the URLs to fit on two lines in this message.*

73 de Ed W9ODR

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In a message on Friday 11-02-16 Roger Nelson said to Holger Granholm:

Good evening Roger,

I believe that's the one we had demo'd. The RAM could be upgraded
to 9 MB, I think. One could still buy ne of those on Ebay.

I'd like to buy a vowel, Holger. -------^

I suggest a swap, you can have one of mine, like in instruktions! ----------------------------------------------------------^

It's a consonant though, but who cares.


Have a good night,

Holger

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On Thu Nov-03-2016 09:36, Holger Granholm (2:20/228) wrote to Roger Nelson:

In a message on Thursday 11-01-16 Roger Nelson said to Holger
Granholm:

Hej,

Hejsan = Howdy Roger,

I thought that meant "Hello".

Yeah, I agree. We changed back to normal time (UTC+2) oct. 30th.
People here call it wintertime, which is stupid. Calling the DST summertime may be ok, but it's a total waste of time and energy.

UTC+6 here this morning. I suppose the majority of the people wanted DST. Nobody asked me.

Farmers cannot change the time for the cows that have to be milked,
same time every morning, irrespective of what the hour hand on the
clock says

Isn't that the truth!

Lately my body has accepted the time change very well, but even
three years ago it a week before my body had adapted the change.

My body still rebells against it.

[...]

I believe that's the one we had demo'd. The RAM could be upgraded
to 9 MB, I think. One could still buy ne of those on Ebay.

I didn't have the proper manual to read about all it's
capabilities, but as I recall having seen in the AmigaDos manual,
it seemed to be very similar to Unix, (that we call Linux), with
commands like mount etc, for adding capabilities.

I didn't get into the DOS part of it because at the time, I was more interested
in the BASIC functions it used. Very similar to IBM or MS BASIC and I had only
that one Amiga BASIC program to convert.

Have a good night,

You too.


Regards,

Roger
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On Fri Nov-04-2016 09:41, Holger Granholm (2:20/228) wrote to Roger Nelson:

In a message on Friday 11-02-16 Roger Nelson said to Holger
Granholm:

Hej,

I believe that's the one we had demo'd. The RAM could be upgraded
to 9 MB, I think. One could still buy ne of those on Ebay.

I'd like to buy a vowel, Holger. -------^

I suggest a swap, you can have one of mine, like in instruktions! ----------------------------------------------------------^

Thanks.

It's a consonant though, but who cares.

The word still has vowels in it.

BTW, I checked last night while W10 was running (I have W10 Pro) and I can't change the settings for updates. I thought not being able to change background
colors in a window was aggravating enough, but now I have one more. The update
settings and window background colors in Windows 7 can be set to whatever you want, but not W10.

Have a good night,

You too.


Regards,

Roger
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In a message on Saturday 11-04-16 Roger Nelson said to Holger Granholm:

Howdy Roger,

Simple enough to find out. Click Start > Settings > System > scroll
down the left pane to About and click on it.

When I read 'pane' I interpret it to window. What I got after
clicking Settings >, was a splash covering most of the screen.

Sorry. I should have put column there instead of 'pane'.

You don't have to be sorry. Windows itself doesn't seem to know, what to present on the screen. After I had let the update loose on the laptop,
it showed a long column, with all kinds of settings, in a long column on
the left side of the screen.

Next time when I started it up and chose settings, it again was back to
the splash screen, with the icons for different choices.

It showed the version to be: 1607, ie. the update. I checked again
the contents of the Windows Upgrade Assistant, and found a couple
of text files dated oct.11 2016, apparently telling the date of the upgrade.

I didn't go that far, but I still wonder why that icon is on the
desktop.

Me too!

I have a FB account, but I didn't get out while the getting was
good. I haven't logged into it in a few years -- probably 4. I was
talked into getting a FB account by a Russian concert pianist and
her husband who now live in Baden-Baden, Germany.

I really don't have time for FB, but I opened the account mainly to be
able to look at the videos and pictures my GS send from the various
places his job takes him, and pictures that my relatives put up.


Have a good day,

Holger

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06 Nov 16 07:32, you wrote to Holger Granholm:

BTW, I checked last night while W10 was running (I have W10 Pro) and I can't change the settings for updates. I thought not being able to
change background colors in a window was aggravating enough, but now I have one more. The update settings and window background colors in Windows 7 can be set to whatever you want, but not W10.

have you looked in the scheduler? that's where they hide out and get launched from ;)

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On Sun Nov-06-2016 10:25, mark lewis (1:3634/12.73) wrote to Roger Nelson:

06 Nov 16 07:32, you wrote to Holger Granholm:

BTW, I checked last night while W10 was running (I have W10 Pro) and I can't change the settings for updates. I thought not being able to
change background colors in a window was aggravating enough, but now I have one more. The update settings and window background colors in Windows 7 can be set to whatever you want, but not W10.

have you looked in the scheduler? that's where they hide out and
get launched from ;)

I didn't check there yet, mainly because it didn't occur to me. I thought it would be under Settings, but the upgrades there seem to be hard-coded.


Regards,

Roger
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In a message on Sunday 11-04-16 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

GE Ed,

That happens to be the date that killed my access to Facebook
oct.12th. I haven't got it working since then.

I believe the one before that was 1533, but I could be wrong. It
was 15-something, however. (-:

I clicked on a Link in this article by Woody Leonhard:

As I was reading the article in that Link I thought of You
and Roger talking about Windows 10 when I saw in Step 1
there was a Link to learn what version of Windows 10
is being used on a computer.

I know how to check the version of Windows 10.

Regarding QRZ: I was in there yesterday and found that I couldn't do
anything without Java, and the suggestions were to enable Java in
FireFox, Chrome or Safari.

However, I'm using Opera as my browser. If that had been on the list,
I may have catched the suggestion to enable Java, but since I'm opposed
to use Java, I'm glad that it wasn't on the list.

So consequently I'll stay out.


GN de Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger

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UTC+6 here this morning. I suppose the majority of the people wanted DST. Nobody asked me.

I am not at all a fan of DST. The "fall back" day is the day I think of everything going back to normal. :)

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06 Nov 16 11:19, you wrote to Ed Vance:

Regarding QRZ: I was in there yesterday and found that I couldn't do anything without Java, and the suggestions were to enable Java in
FireFox, Chrome or Safari.

java or javascript? they are not the same thing and are not related other than by name...

However, I'm using Opera as my browser. If that had been on the list,
I may have catched the suggestion to enable Java, but since I'm
opposed to use Java, I'm glad that it wasn't on the list.

even so you can easily look it up...

https://techhelpkb.com/enable-and-disable-java-in-opera/

or if you meant javascript instead...

https://pchelp.ricmedia.com/enable-disable-javascript-opera/

So consequently I'll stay out.

:)

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In a message on Monday 11-06-16 Roger Nelson said to Holger Granholm:

Good morning again Roger,

Hejsan = Howdy Roger,

I thought that meant "Hello".

It's a hello that mostly is used between friends you know, while 'Hej'
is mostly used between people that you are not familiar with.

UTC+6 here this morning. I suppose the majority of the people
wanted DST. Nobody asked me.

Most people here are fed up with 'summer time', not least the farmers. Actually, we want to use swedish, ie. west european time, because the
only official language here is swedish, despite that the rest of Finland
is officially a bi-lingual country.

We are enjoying swedish TV and radio programs, but we also have the
finnish channels available.

The problem is, that swedish time is UTC +1hr and finnish time is UTC +2
also called east-european-time (eet), but we are a west european country

Lately my body has accepted the time change very well, but even

My body still rebells against it.

I don't understand why my body doesn't rebell anymore.

it seemed to be very similar to Unix, (that we call Linux), with
commands like mount etc, for adding capabilities.

I didn't get into the DOS part of it because at the time, I was more interested in the BASIC functions it used. Very similar to IBM or
MS BASIC and I had only that one Amiga BASIC program to convert.

I left Basic very soon after having acquired my first computer 1982.

To make large and fast programs I started using assembler, and later
I learned Turbo Pascal and also tried Turbo C. I stuck with Pascal.


Regards,

Holger

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To make large and fast programs I started using assembler, and later
I learned Turbo Pascal and also tried Turbo C. I stuck with Pascal.

Ah yes, those were the days. Me too BTW.

The PASCAL fido echo was where I spent most of my fido time in the early 1990s. I even got quite a lot of snippets into the SWAG archive. Nowadays all the old mirrors seem to give you a 404, but my copy is still available at

http://eljaco.se/SWAG/

And the revolutionary concept of embedded assembler code in TP7 did give programs a real boost, such as in my "The Fastest Pi Calculator Ever":

http://eljaco.se/files/TURBO/CALCPI.ZIP




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In a message on Monday 11-06-16 mark lewis said to Roger Nelson:

Good morning Mark,

BTW, I checked last night while W10 was running (I have W10 Pro) and I can't change the settings for updates.

have you looked in the scheduler? that's where they hide out and get launched from ;)

Thanks for the hint, I need it too!


Have a nice day,

Holger

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11-06-16 11:19 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Windows settings Howdy! Holger, GA,

@MSGID: <582109CF.15024.windowsa@capcity2.synchro.net>
In a message on Sunday 11-04-16 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

GE Ed,

That happens to be the date that killed my access to Facebook
oct.12th. I haven't got it working since then.

I believe the one before that was 1533, but I could be wrong. It
was 15-something, however. (-:

I clicked on a Link in this article by Woody Leonhard:

As I was reading the article in that Link I thought of You
and Roger talking about Windows 10 when I saw in Step 1
there was a Link to learn what version of Windows 10
is being used on a computer.

I know how to check the version of Windows 10.

Iirc the article said Cortana was to be used to learn what version of
WinTen was being used on a pc.
When I read the article I thought it looked like a quick way to get that
info.
But I haven't any plans to start using WinTen so I really don't know
anything about it by experience.

I read messages from BBS Users (and others) to learn about what they like
or don't like about the OS they use.

I was using Win95/98 until 2006, then I started using XP after reading
BBS messages from Users giving it a good report.
Lately all I read about XP is that it isn't a good OS to use anymore.

Regarding QRZ: I was in there yesterday and found that I couldn't do anything without Java, and the suggestions were to enable Java in
FireFox, Chrome or Safari.

I see Mark sent a message about Javascript/JAVA to You.
Before I Log On QRZ now, I learned that I HAVE TO enable s3.Amazonaws.com
in NoScript or I will get that error message from QRZ too.

However, I'm using Opera as my browser. If that had been on the list,
I may have catched the suggestion to enable Java, but since I'm opposed
to use Java, I'm glad that it wasn't on the list.

I have Opera's browser too to use if Firefox quits working or it can't
get a web page to open.

So consequently I'll stay out.

I just tried Opera to log on QRZ, and it worked for me.
Opera didn't gripe a bit.
I looked for OH0NC and got the page asking if I wanted to add it to their database, I didn't.

I looked at my page twice, when I was Logged In and after I Logged Out.

I found out the second time all it showed was the message I had saying
what my old Call Signs were, when I clicked the Second Tab, it said I had
to be Logged On to read what was there.

The Second Tab is where I see the HamGrid option, that is just below the Map.

The HamGrid has options to show the QTH of other Hams in the area that is
being displayed in the HamGrid window and what Grid their QTH is in.

I guess You will have to Subscribe to put OH0NC in the QRZ Database.

73 de Ed W9ODR

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In a message on Wednesday 11-07-16 mark lewis said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Mark,

anything without Java, and the suggestions were to enable Java in
FireFox, Chrome or Safari.

java or javascript? they are not the same thing and are not related
other than by name...

However, I'm using Opera as my browser. If that had been on the list,

It was JavaScript.

even so you can easily look it up...

https://techhelpkb.com/enable-and-disable-java-in-opera/

or if you meant javascript instead...

https://pchelp.ricmedia.com/enable-disable-javascript-opera/

I checked today, and found in the Opera tools, the settings for both
Java and Javascript.

I enabled both and connected to QRZ. It still complained that Javascript
wasn't enabled. I closed down Opera, restarted it and tried again.

Same message: Your Javascript isn't enabled ....

Thanks for the lesson, anyway. I'll try the above URL's next time.


Have a good day,

Holger

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In a message on Thursday 11-08-16 Bj”rn Felten said to Holger Granholm:

Hej Bj”rn,

I learned Turbo Pascal and also tried Turbo C. I stuck with Pascal.

The PASCAL fido echo was where I spent most of my fido time in
the early 1990s.

Most of the programs I produced were for the radio amateurs, like log
programs and contest logs with calculation of the scores.

When I joined Fido, I had almost left the programming age, with a few exceptions for add-ons to PCBoard. Those use the PPL-language.


Ha en bra dag,

Holger

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In a message on Thursday 11-08-16 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

GE Ed,

I know how to check the version of Windows 10.

Iirc the article said Cortana was to be used to learn what version
of WinTen was being used on a pc.

Not at all necessary. The fastest way is to click on Settings>, then the
System Icon> and on the bottom of the presented column, click on 'About'

This I learned from Roger.

I don't use Cortana at all

I was using Win95/98 until 2006, then I started using XP after
reading BBS messages from Users giving it a good report.

I jumped from WFWG 3.11 to XP Pro, without passing any versions between.
----- " ----- XP Pro to Win10 Pro, ----------------- " ----------------.

Lately all I read about XP is that it isn't a good OS to use
anymore.

XP is still usable, and I still have it on an old Lenovo laptop.

I see Mark sent a message about Javascript/JAVA to You.

Yes, the discussion is going on.

Before I Log On QRZ now, I learned that I HAVE TO enable
s3.Amazonaws.com in NoScript or I will get that error message from
QRZ too.

Dunno what that is.

I just tried Opera to log on QRZ, and it worked for me.
Opera didn't gripe a bit.

OK.

I looked for OH0NC and got the page asking if I wanted to add it to
their database, I didn't.

Next time you can add my callsign there, since I read that a QRZ-user
could do that. After that, if I ever try to access QRZ again, I may
update the information, which you cannot do.

I guess You will have to Subscribe to put OH0NC in the QRZ Database.

I have subscribed already, so have I access to the database when/if it
accepts the Javascript that Opera offers.

I have forgotten to mention to you, that when looking at the map of time
zones, in and old english "Radio Reference Handbook", published 1946,
I stumbled across an "English-German Radio Vocabulary" in it.

The reason I didn't remember it, was that I got a good dose of german at school, and that I have learned the german radio terms in the education
to radio- and TV-tecnician, and also from the service manuals.


CU L8ER, Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger

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09 Nov 16 17:53, you wrote to me:

It was JavaScript.

ok...

even so you can easily look it up...

https://techhelpkb.com/enable-and-disable-java-in-opera/

or if you meant javascript instead...

https://pchelp.ricmedia.com/enable-disable-javascript-opera/

I checked today, and found in the Opera tools, the settings for both
Java and Javascript.

I enabled both and connected to QRZ. It still complained that Javascript wasn't enabled. I closed down Opera, restarted it and tried again.

Same message: Your Javascript isn't enabled ....

are you using a blocker like noscript? if so, tell it to temp allow qrz or whatever site it is blocking... hopefully it has a list of all domains used on the page... i select one at the time and let it reload... i'm very picky about the ones i allow through for different sites and i only allow through enough to
make the page work properly... i don't know off hand what domains qrz pulls stuff from, though... i only go there once in a blue moon as there are other places to get the same info without the hassle...

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11-10-16 09:42 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Windows settings

@MSGID: <58264FD0.15034.windowsa@capcity2.synchro.net>
In a message on Thursday 11-08-16 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

GE Ed,

GA Holger,
-skip-

Next time you can add my callsign there, since I read that a QRZ-user could do that. After that, if I ever try to access QRZ again, I may
update the information, which you cannot do.

I entered OH0NC with Your Name and Address on QRZ.COM .

Look for a Email with more details of what 'Ed' did.

73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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In a message on Monday 11-11-16 mark lewis said to Holger Granholm:

Good morning Mark,

I enabled both and connected to QRZ. It still complained that Javascript wasn't enabled. I closed down Opera, restarted it and tried again.

are you using a blocker like noscript? if so, tell it to temp allow
qrz or whatever site it is blocking... hopefully it has a list of
all domains used on the page...

As far as I can recall, I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere in any
settings, and I don't know if AVG or ZoneAlarm do use it.

i select one at the time and let it reload... i'm very picky about
the ones i allow through for different sites and i only allow through enough to make the page work properly...

OK, I'll have to see if "search" can find such a setting.

I'm also finding that some programs are very selective to Opera.
Yesterday I let the Adobe Reader upgrade. After having done that, it
left a message that it could'nt apply it to Opera, but did it on Edge.

I have never, ever used that browser, it was just included in Windows.
I chose Opera because I was familiar with it from OS/2, and also because
it maybe isn't as prone to be attacked as the usual browsers like Edge
and FireFox may be.

I may have to let FireFox loose. I do have it installed, and on the
laptop Gnome was included when I received it.

Oh well, I have much to learn about Windows 10 since XP :-(


Have a good day,

Holger

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14 Nov 16 09:43, you wrote to me:

I enabled both and connected to QRZ. It still complained that
Javascript wasn't enabled. I closed down Opera, restarted it and
tried again.

are you using a blocker like noscript? if so, tell it to temp allow
qrz or whatever site it is blocking... hopefully it has a list of all
domains used on the page...

As far as I can recall, I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere in any settings, and I don't know if AVG or ZoneAlarm do use it.

they do not... it is a browser addon that you have to specifically install... noscript and adblockpro are the only two browsers addons i use and recommend but they do require some learning for one to get all their sites working properly without ads...


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In a message on Wednesday 11-13-16 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

GE Ed,

Ouch, look at the date above - and it arrived today, the 16th !!

I entered OH0NC with Your Name and Address on QRZ.COM .

Yeah, TNX

Look for a Email with more details of what 'Ed' did.

Got it, replied to it, TNX.


73 es GN de OH0NC, Sam

aka Holger

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In a message on Tuesday 11-18-16 mark lewis said to Holger Granholm:

Good evening Mark,

are you using a blocker like noscript? if so, tell it to temp allow
qrz or whatever site it is blocking...

As far as I can recall, I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere in any settings, and I don't know if AVG or ZoneAlarm do use it.

they do not... it is a browser addon that you have to specifically install... noscript and adblockpro are the only two browsers addons
i use and recommend but they do require some learning for one to get
all their sites working properly without ads...

As I mentioned before, I did check the settings of Opera, and both Java
and Javascript were enabled.

Thanks for the info. One of these days/nights, I will disable Opera as
the favourite browser, and enable FireFox instead.


Have a good night,

Holger

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