Howdy!

Yesterday when I started up this XP pc, after I Logged On to the limited account I watched a blue screen saying "loading your settings" for ten
or twelve minutes.

Usually after I don't see the desktop showing up on the monitor after that
long of a time, I just hold the power button and restart the computer again. This time I didn't restart the pc, yesterday I held the Alt and Tab Keys
down and saw two icons.

One of them said something about "restarting(?) network connection" and
after selecting it and releasing the Alt Tab Keys I saw the blue screen
again, but next I pressed the Enter Key and the desktop appeared on the
screen.

I was surprized that doing that worked.

That phrase about the network connection puzzles me since my practice is
to first turn on the DSL Modem and wait for the LEDs to show it has
finished its start up procedure.

After turning on the Router I will wait ten minutes for it and the DSL
Modem to finish their handshaking and then I press the power button on
this XP computer and Log On when I see the Log On screen appear.

I wait this long for the Router/DSL Modem before turning on the computer because in the past if I hadn't waited - when the Limited Account desktop
shows up, the LAN icon in the Tray will show "not connected".

Patience...........



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In a message on Thursday 05-08-17 Ed Vance said to All:

Hi Ed,

Excuse me for the delay of this reply, but it's intentional.

I wanted to be sure I gave you the correct timing of the Win10pro system start-up that I use.

Yesterday when I started up this XP pc, after I Logged On to the
limited account I watched a blue screen saying "loading your
settings" for ten or twelve minutes.

After turning on the Router I will wait ten minutes for it and the
DSL Modem to finish their handshaking and then I press the power

I wait this long for the Router/DSL Modem before turning on the
computer because in the past if I hadn't waited - when the Limited
Account desktop shows up, the LAN icon in the Tray will show "not connected".

It was a bit difficult to give you a structured reply to the above, so
I'll just give you the start-up timings for the Win10 machine:

First I switch on the "router" or modem, then the screen and finally the computer. All as fast as my finger moves from one to another switch.

I have the router set to automatically connect.

After abt 3 seconds the machine asks for the HD password + enter.
After 7 - 8 seconds the first Windows screen appears, which is confirmed
with enter...

Now comes the screen asking for the Windows pwrd or PIN code. After
entering the needed PIN-code it takes another 7 - 8 seconds for the main
screen with all the icons to appear.

That's it.

Patience...........

Yeah, as I said previously, you missed the train, while Win10 was a free upgrade to machines with Win7 or later. I couldn't resist the fre offer,
so I bought a second hand Win7 machine and got it upgraded to Win10.

That was after my first experience of Win10pro in the laptop I received
for XMAS from my GS.

NOTE: I have a HD/BIOS password set on all my machines. Nobody carring
away any of my machines will have any use of what's in them, since the
pwrd protects both the HD and BIOS.


CU AGN, Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger


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05-18-17 09:41 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Patience
Howdy! Holger,

@MSGID: <59221C0D.15137.windowsa@capitolcityonline.net>
In a message on Thursday 05-08-17 Ed Vance said to All:

Hi Ed,

Excuse me for the delay of this reply, but it's intentional.

You have to excuse Me also because I got Your message yesterday but just
now answering it.

I wanted to be sure I gave you the correct timing of the Win10pro
system start-up that I use.

Yesterday when I started up this XP pc, after I Logged On to the
limited account I watched a blue screen saying "loading your
settings" for ten or twelve minutes.

Before I saw that screen I:

After turning on the Router I will wait ten minutes for it and the
DSL Modem to finish their handshaking and then I press the power

I wait this long for the Router/DSL Modem before turning on the
computer because in the past if I hadn't waited - when the Limited
Account desktop shows up, the LAN icon in the Tray will show "not connected".

It was a bit difficult to give you a structured reply to the above, so I'll just give you the start-up timings for the Win10 machine:

O.K.

First I switch on the "router" or modem, then the screen and finally
the computer. All as fast as my finger moves from one to another
switch.

I have the router set to automatically connect.

My DSL Modem connects to my service.

After abt 3 seconds the machine asks for the HD password + enter.
After 7 - 8 seconds the first Windows screen appears, which is
confirmed with enter...

That is faster than any Windows computer I have used.
The Commodore 64 comes up in half a second. <G R I N>

Now comes the screen asking for the Windows pwrd or PIN code. After entering the needed PIN-code it takes another 7 - 8 seconds for the
main screen with all the icons to appear.

That's it.

Patience...........

Yeah, as I said previously, you missed the train, while Win10 was a
free upgrade to machines with Win7 or later. I couldn't resist the fre offer, so I bought a second hand Win7 machine and got it upgraded to Win10.

For all I know the WIN TEN Telemetry situation may be affecting this XP
machine without me knowing of it.
MS does what they want to do with their Code, I just use it.

I don't like being on the "Bleeding Edge" as You know with my older
messages about my experiences with Win3.1 in 1994 , Win95 in 1998 ,
Win98SE around 2000 , WinXP in 2006 and WinVista .

That was after my first experience of Win10pro in the laptop I received for XMAS from my GS.

NOTE: I have a HD/BIOS password set on all my machines. Nobody carring away any of my machines will have any use of what's in them, since the pwrd protects both the HD and BIOS.

I remember Jean Parrot mentioning setting a HD BIOS password on Notebook pcs.
I might have done that to the Vista notebook, I can't remember now.
It's a good idea though.

...Until someone takes the Hard Drive out of the case..... ?


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In a message on Wednesday 05-22-17 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

GE Ed,

DSL Modem to finish their handshaking and then I press the power

I wait this long for the Router/DSL Modem before turning on the
computer because in the past if I hadn't waited - when the Limited

It was a bit difficult to give you a structured reply to the above, so I'll just give you the start-up timings for the Win10 machine:

O.K.

First I switch on the "router" or modem, then the screen and finally
the computer. All as fast as my finger moves from one to another
switch.

I have the router set to automatically connect.

My DSL Modem connects to my service.

So does my router.

After abt 3 seconds the machine asks for the HD password + enter.
After 7 - 8 seconds the first Windows screen appears, which is
confirmed with enter...

That is faster than any Windows computer I have used.

Now comes the screen asking for the Windows pwrd or PIN code. After entering the needed PIN-code it takes another 7 - 8 seconds for the
main screen with all the icons to appear.

That's it.

For all I know the WIN TEN Telemetry situation may be affecting this
XP machine without me knowing of it.
MS does what they want to do with their Code, I just use it.

What Win10 Telemetry situation?? Never heard of such a thing.

I don't like being on the "Bleeding Edge" as You know with my older messages about my experiences with Win3.1 in 1994 , Win95 in 1998 ,
Win98SE around 2000 , WinXP in 2006 and WinVista .

Well, after all Win3.1 wasn't too bad after all, especially when
upgraded to WFWG 3.11. I skipped the other ones until XP (pro), and then
again skipped all versions until Win10.

NOTE: I have a HD/BIOS password set on all my machines. Nobody carring away any of my machines will have any use of what's in them, since the pwrd protects both the HD and BIOS.

...Until someone takes the Hard Drive out of the case..... ?

Doesn't help, since the password is written both to a sector on the HD,
as well as in the BIOS.


GN es 73 de Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger


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05-24-17 09:43 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Patience
Howdy! Holger,

@MSGID: <59269DB7.15142.windowsa@capitolcityonline.net>
In a message on Wednesday 05-22-17 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

GE Ed,

GM,
-snip-

For all I know the WIN TEN Telemetry situation may be affecting this
XP machine without me knowing of it.
MS does what they want to do with their Code, I just use it.

What Win10 Telemetry situation?? Never heard of such a thing.

I learned of it at www.askwoody.com .

I don't like being on the "Bleeding Edge" as You know with my older messages about my experiences with Win3.1 in 1994 , Win95 in 1998 , Win98SE around 2000 , WinXP in 2006 and WinVista .

Well, after all Win3.1 wasn't too bad after all, especially when
upgraded to WFWG 3.11. I skipped the other ones until XP (pro), and
then again skipped all versions until Win10.

In Win3.1 if a program started getting messed up I could look at the .INI
file and try to see what may be causeing problems.

With this XP pc when it shuts off it saves My "personal settings" even
when the OS has really messed something up.

I have tried looking for where XP saves that "personal settings" so I
could delete it and let the computer recreate a new one.

NOTE: I have a HD/BIOS password set on all my machines. Nobody carring away any of my machines will have any use of what's in them, since the pwrd protects both the HD and BIOS.

...Until someone takes the Hard Drive out of the case..... ?

Doesn't help, since the password is written both to a sector on the HD,
as well as in the BIOS.

O.K. , TKS .

Hope You get a chuckle from the TAGLINE I picked for this message.
If not, then I'm in REAL TROUBLE.

73 de Ed W9ODR . .

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In a message on Thursday 05-29-17 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

GN Ed because your msg is timed 00:25,

What Win10 Telemetry situation?? Never heard of such a thing.

I learned of it at www.askwoody.com .

Problem for you is that you read too much.
I have never seen any mention that such a thing exists.

I don't like being on the "Bleeding Edge" as You know ......

Well, after all Win3.1 wasn't too bad after all, especially when
upgraded to WFWG 3.11.

In Win3.1 if a program started getting messed up I could look at the
.INI file and try to see what may be causeing problems.

According to information I have, you do have the Acronis backup program.
Why not use it to take a full backup, an image, every once in a while
when the machine works as it should, make an update to the image.

With this XP pc when it shuts off it saves My "personal settings"
even when the OS has really messed something up.

Then, when the machine misbehaves, use the Acronis Startup Recovery to
set the machine back to a working point. An update to the image is fast.

I have tried looking for where XP saves that "personal settings" so
I could delete it and let the computer recreate a new one.

With the aid of Acronis, you can yourself save those "personal settings"

Just use what you have!

Hope You get a chuckle from the TAGLINE I picked for this message.
If not, then I'm in REAL TROUBLE.

I don't pick taglines, I just let the program pick one at random.
If it happens to be too objectional, I can let it pick another.

GN es 73 de Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger


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06-01-17 09:37 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Patience
Howdy! Holger,
GA,

@MSGID: <59357209.15149.windowsa@capitolcityonline.net>
In a message on Thursday 05-29-17 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

GN Ed because your msg is timed 00:25,

My Messages tell on Me, I can't keep the Date and Time a secret
UNLESS I change the Date and Time on this Computer.
Even then the computer will reset the Date and Time unless I turned Off the Router.

Some times I stay up late, other times I will get up before the Roosters
Crow to use my computers.
I'm Undependable!

And then there are some times I start writing a message but have to shut
the computer Off to do something else, and (much?) later go back to
finishing the message and Send it on its way.
Those messages don't show the Time when I started writing it.

What Win10 Telemetry situation?? Never heard of such a thing.

I learned of it at www.askwoody.com .

Problem for you is that you read too much.

I'm still TRYING to be a Mister Know-It-All, but ain't done it yet......

I have never seen any mention that such a thing exists.

I wonder if anyone else reading this has read about Microsoft having
Telemetry sent to their location from people using a computer with
the Windows 10 Operating System on it?

Some Articles on www.askwoody.com have Links to articles at other web sites Bleeping Computers - Wired.com and Others about the Care and Feeding of
WinTEN.

At AskWoody I've read some time ago that Microsoft has 'added' THEIR
Telemetry 'Feature' to Windows 7 and Windows 8.x computers by way of
Windows Updates making changes to those computers.

I use to "think (TM)" I may want to start using Windows 7, but not now.

I don't like being on the "Bleeding Edge" as You know ......

Well, after all Win3.1 wasn't too bad after all, especially when
upgraded to WFWG 3.11.

In Win3.1 if a program started getting messed up I could look at the
.INI file and try to see what may be causeing problems.

According to information I have, you do have the Acronis backup
program. Why not use it to take a full backup, an image, every once in
a while when the machine works as it should, make an update to the
image.

Yes, I do.

I had been using this XP pc for a year when I bought Acronis v. 10.0 to
make my first Full Backup of the pc.

As paranoid as I am, when I made that Backup this pc may have already
gotten 'bit' by some Malware.
But it is the oldest Backup I have if I was wanting to use it to Restore
back to that date.

If ever I wanted to Restore this pc to that first Backup,
(or use the two HP Restore DVD I made the day I first turned it On),
I'd use True Image 10.0 to make one more Full Backup so after I
rolled back this computer, I would be able to put My DATA Files back
on the new setup.

In the years following I have read that a person ought to make a Full
Backup or a Clone HDD as the FIRST THING they do on a new computer before
they connect it to the internet.

With this XP pc when it shuts off it saves My "personal settings"
even when the OS has really messed something up.

Then, when the machine misbehaves, use the Acronis Startup Recovery to
set the machine back to a working point. An update to the image is
fast.

I tried doing an Incremental Backup but decided if I am going to back a computer up, I ought to let it save everything that is on the pc when I
make the Backup.

I have tried looking for where XP saves that "personal settings" so
I could delete it and let the computer recreate a new one.

With the aid of Acronis, you can yourself save those "personal
settings"

Just use what you have!

WHAT!? Ed's Head? Come on.........

.. I hit the CTRL key but I'm still not in control!

I'd say AMEN To That! - Been There, Done That.
And it's still does that to Me.


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In a message on Friday 06-06-17 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

GA Ed,

GN Ed because your msg is timed 00:25,

My Messages tell on Me, I can't keep the Date and Time a secret
UNLESS I change the Date and Time on this Computer.

The date/time is stamped on the message when it is uploaded to your Host

Some times I stay up late, other times I will get up before the
Roosters Crow to use my computers.

Usually I reply to messages in the morning, but today was a busy one, so
I had to leave this and some others until the afternoon, in this case,
or evening.

What Win10 Telemetry situation?? Never heard of such a thing.

I learned of it at www.askwoody.com .

Problem for you is that you read too much.

I'm still TRYING to be a Mister Know-It-All, but ain't done it
yet......

NO, very far from it. Stop reading all sorts of gossip.

I wonder if anyone else reading this has read about Microsoft having Telemetry sent to their location from people using a computer with
the Windows 10 Operating System on it?

There exists a setting where you can disable anything the machine would
like to send to M$, or anything M$ would like to know. Use it!

Some Articles on www.askwoody.com have Links to articles at other
web sites Bleeping Computers - Wired.com and Others about the Care
and Feeding of WinTEN.

Nothing beats what you yourself choose in the settings.

There are also settings in ZoneAlarm to inform you if the machine wants
to send out something somewhere, or if some(body) wants to connect to
your machine.

ZoneAlarm is a much better Firewall (free), and the Pro version also
contains an antivirus program but is not free.

I use AVG (free) and ZoneAlarm (free) to protect the Windows machines.

I use to "think (TM)" I may want to start using Windows 7, but not
now.

I have skipped all versions of Windows between XP and Win10.

In Win3.1 if a program started getting messed up I could look at the
.INI file and try to see what may be causeing problems.

AFAIR the .INI file didn't show what caused problems. OTOH I don't
recall any specific problems with 3.1 or WFWG 3.11.

If ever I wanted to Restore this pc to that first Backup,

I'd use True Image 10.0 to make one more Full Backup so after I
rolled back this computer, I would be able to put My DATA Files back
on the new setup.

You should absolutely make an image or clone when the machine works as
it should.

(or use the two HP Restore DVD I made the day I first turned it On),

Well, if you use that, you'll have to re-install all programs you have
added to the machine since you made that Restore DVD.

In the years following I have read that a person ought to make a
Full Backup or a Clone HDD as the FIRST THING they do on a new
computer before they connect it to the internet.

That's exactly what I did to both Win10 machines, a laptop and a
stationary machine, but they don't contain anything that I have
installed afterwards.

That's where an image or clone come in.

I tried doing an Incremental Backup but decided if I am going to
back a computer up, I ought to let it save everything that is on the
pc when I make the Backup.

AFAIK, an incremental backup does only change/update the previous backup

I have tried looking for where XP saves that "personal settings" so
I could delete it and let the computer recreate a new one.

DON't DO IT.


CU AGN, Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger


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On 2017 Jun 09 16:28:00, you wrote to Ed Vance:

GN Ed because your msg is timed 00:25,

My Messages tell on Me, I can't keep the Date and Time a secret
UNLESS I change the Date and Time on this Computer.

The date/time is stamped on the message when it is uploaded to your Host

on some systems... some others respect the original date time put in the message by the offline client and retain it when the messages are imported...

)\/(ark

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06-09-17 16:28 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Patience
Howdy! Holger,

@MSGID: <593E583F.15153.windowsa@capitolcityonline.net>
In a message on Friday 06-06-17 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

GA Ed,

GN Ed because your msg is timed 00:25,

My Messages tell on Me, I can't keep the Date and Time a secret
UNLESS I change the Date and Time on this Computer.

The date/time is stamped on the message when it is uploaded to your
Host

I didn't know that, I thought whatever time I last edited a message stayed
with the .REP packet I send to my BBS.

Some times I stay up late, other times I will get up before the
Roosters Crow to use my computers.

Usually I reply to messages in the morning, but today was a busy one,
so I had to leave this and some others until the afternoon, in this
case, or evening.

I'm just undependable.

What Win10 Telemetry situation?? Never heard of such a thing.

I learned of it at www.askwoody.com .

Problem for you is that you read too much.

I'm still TRYING to be a Mister Know-It-All, but ain't done it
yet......

NO, very far from it. Stop reading all sorts of gossip.

I think the sites I read have Technical information, not gossip.

I wonder if anyone else reading this has read about Microsoft having Telemetry sent to their location from people using a computer with
the Windows 10 Operating System on it?

There exists a setting where you can disable anything the machine would like to send to M$, or anything M$ would like to know. Use it!

I've read a comment that doing that would prevent Edge from giving any
Results from a Search that was done using it.

Some Articles on www.askwoody.com have Links to articles at other
web sites Bleeping Computers - Wired.com and Others about the Care
and Feeding of WinTEN.

Nothing beats what you yourself choose in the settings.

Do You like using Cortana?

There are also settings in ZoneAlarm to inform you if the machine wants
to send out something somewhere, or if some(body) wants to connect to
your machine.

ZoneAlarm is a much better Firewall (free), and the Pro version also contains an antivirus program but is not free.

I use AVG (free) and ZoneAlarm (free) to protect the Windows machines.

Currently I am using FortKnox Firewall (free) and Avast! (free).

I use to "think (TM)" I may want to start using Windows 7, but not
now.

I have skipped all versions of Windows between XP and Win10.

In Win3.1 if a program started getting messed up I could look at the
.INI file and try to see what may be causeing problems.

AFAIR the .INI file didn't show what caused problems. OTOH I don't
recall any specific problems with 3.1 or WFWG 3.11.

I saved the older copies of WIN.INI and SYSTEM.INI by using SaveAs and
changing the INI Extension to numerals, as in WIN.001 for the first time
I saved it and incrementing the number each time I saved another copy of
the WIN. file.

When I was curious to see if there were any changes I would use the Command
FC WIN.INI WIN.001 | MORE
to show me what changes, if any had been made.

I used the numbered Extensions with the SYSTEM.INI file too. Worked for Me.

If ever I wanted to Restore this pc to that first Backup,

I'd use True Image 10.0 to make one more Full Backup so after I
rolled back this computer, I would be able to put My DATA Files back
on the new setup.

You should absolutely make an image or clone when the machine works as
it should.

This computer works but I don't think it works as it should.
At least I still can Send .REP packets and Read .QWK packets and do Email.

(or use the two HP Restore DVD I made the day I first turned it On),

Well, if you use that, you'll have to re-install all programs you have added to the machine since you made that Restore DVD.

Yep, that's why I said above I would make one more Full Backup before doing that.

In the years following I have read that a person ought to make a
Full Backup or a Clone HDD as the FIRST THING they do on a new
computer before they connect it to the internet.

That's exactly what I did to both Win10 machines, a laptop and a stationary machine, but they don't contain anything that I have
installed afterwards.

That's where an image or clone come in.

I didn't know to do that back in 1994 when I got the 486DX33 built or back
in 2006 when I bought this XP computer.

Before that time when all I had was a Commodore 64 PC I made copies of
the programs I used and filed the original Floppy Disk away and used
my back up copy to run the program.
I figured if something got written on the Program Disk that changed how
it worked I still had the Original stored away.

I tried doing an Incremental Backup but decided if I am going to
back a computer up, I ought to let it save everything that is on the
pc when I make the Backup.

AFAIK, an incremental backup does only change/update the previous
backup

Yes, it only writes changes it finds on the computer since a backup or
the last incremental backup was made.

Yes, a Incremental backup takes a shorter time to do, but if ever I would
have to do a Recovery I would have to Recover the First backup and EACH ONE
of those Incremental backups I had made to get the computer Restored.
That sounds to me like too much trouble, so I decided if I want a Backup
I will make a Full Backup, then if I had to Restore this computer I would
not have to jump through many, many hoops during the Restore session.

But that's Me.
the

I have tried looking for where XP saves that "personal settings" so
I could delete it and let the computer recreate a new one.

DON't DO IT.

If I were able to find that setting, before I'd do any changes to it,
I would make a Full backup to fall back on, if needed.

It is 23:20 when I saved this message.

73 de Ed W9ODR , ,

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On 2017 Jun 12 23:20:00, you wrote to Holger Granholm:

My Messages tell on Me, I can't keep the Date and Time a secret
UNLESS I change the Date and Time on this Computer.

The date/time is stamped on the message when it is uploaded to your
Host

I didn't know that, I thought whatever time I last edited a message
stayed with the .REP packet I send to my BBS.

it does stay in the REP... the BBS may adjust them to the upload time, though... some do, some don't...

)\/(ark

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On 2017 Jun 12 23:20:00, you wrote to Holger Granholm:

It is 23:20 when I saved this message.

as noted in the header line above, that is the time seen in your post's header... apparently the system you are using now does not alter your posts' timestamps to the upload time... that's a GoodThing<tm> for some and not so much for others...

)\/(ark

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In a message on Tuesday 06-12-17 mark lewis said to Holger Granholm:

On 2017 Jun 09 16:28:00, you wrote to Ed Vance:

The date/time is stamped on the message when it is uploaded to your Host

on some systems... some others respect the original date time put in
the message by the offline client and retain it when the messages
are imported...

OK, so be it.

... We give nothing as willingly as our advice.

Thanks for the advice <BG>.


Have a good morning,

Holger


.. Gotta go... the orderlies are about to check my room!
-- MR/2 2.30


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In a message on Wednesday 06-12-17 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

GE Ed,

The date/time is stamped on the message when it is uploaded to your
Host

I didn't know that, I thought whatever time I last edited a message
stayed with the .REP packet I send to my BBS.

You saw the reply from Mark. The time stamp depends on the BBS software.

What Win10 Telemetry situation?? Never heard of such a thing.

I learned of it at www.askwoody.com .

Problem is that you read too much gossip!

There exists a setting where you can disable anything the machine would like to send to M$, or anything M$ would like to know. Use it!

I've read a comment that doing that would prevent Edge from giving
any Results from a Search that was done using it.

I don't use Edge.
How much do you use Edge??

Do You like using Cortana?

No, I don't use Cortana!

Currently I am using FortKnox Firewall (free) and Avast! (free).

OK. AVG seems to be the most popular antivirus program. All bulletins
and messages coming here, have been scanned by AVG.

I use to "think (TM)" I may want to start using Windows 7, but not
now.

DONT!

I have an old computer magazine that shows its cover. At the bottom is a
header that says: "Hasta la Vista!! How you change back to Windows XP".

I saved the older copies of WIN.INI and SYSTEM.INI by using SaveAs
and changing the INI Extension to numerals, as in WIN.001 for the
first time I saved it and incrementing the number each time I saved
another copy of the WIN. file.

I didn't collect old WIN.INI files. When making some changes, it was
enough for me to save the previous .INI file as WININI.BAK.

This computer works but I don't think it works as it should.

Neither do I.

In the years following I have read that a person ought to make a
Full Backup or a Clone HDD as the FIRST THING they do on a new
computer before they connect it to the internet.

M$ recommends, and has a menu item in Win10, to make a recovery USB
stick, right after you have installed it. Good advice to anybody.

Yes, a Incremental backup takes a shorter time to do, but if ever I
would have to do a Recovery I would have to Recover the First backup
and EACH ONE of those Incremental backups I had made to get the
computer Restored.

The last Incremental backup contains all shanges you have made since the
first backup.

It is 23:20 when I saved this message.

That is the time the header shows too.


Have a good night,

73 es GN de Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger


.. We print the news WE think you need to be told.
-- MR/2 2.30

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06-13-17 11:15 mark lewis wrote to Ed Vance about Patience
Howdy! Mark,

@MSGID: <59404EE6.15160.windowsa@capitolcityonline.net>

On 2017 Jun 12 23:20:00, you wrote to Holger Granholm:

My Messages tell on Me, I can't keep the Date and Time a secret
UNLESS I change the Date and Time on this Computer.

The date/time is stamped on the message when it is uploaded to your
Host

I didn't know that, I thought whatever time I last edited a message
stayed with the .REP packet I send to my BBS.

it does stay in the REP... the BBS may adjust them to the upload time, though... some do, some don't...

Thanks.

Its out of My hands after I send it on its way, and under whatever settings each BBS it passes through puts on messages.


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06-13-17 11:18 mark lewis wrote to Ed Vance about Patience
Howdy! Mark,

@MSGID: <59404EE6.15161.windowsa@capitolcityonline.net>

On 2017 Jun 12 23:20:00, you wrote to Holger Granholm:

It is 23:20 when I saved this message.

as noted in the header line above, that is the time seen in your post's header... apparently the system you are using now does not alter your posts' timestamps to the upload time... that's a GoodThing<tm> for some and not so much for others...

Thanks again.

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06-14-17 09:50 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Patience
HOwdy! Holger,

@MSGID: <59424CBF.15165.windowsa@capitolcityonline.net>
In a message on Wednesday 06-12-17 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

GE Ed,

The date/time is stamped on the message when it is uploaded to your
Host

I didn't know that, I thought whatever time I last edited a message
stayed with the .REP packet I send to my BBS.

You saw the reply from Mark. The time stamp depends on the BBS
software.

Yep!

What Win10 Telemetry situation?? Never heard of such a thing.

I learned of it at www.askwoody.com .

Problem is that you read too much gossip!

I call it technical information.

There exists a setting where you can disable anything the machine would like to send to M$, or anything M$ would like to know. Use it!

I've read a comment that doing that would prevent Edge from giving
any Results from a Search that was done using it.

I don't use Edge.
How much do you use Edge??

Edge isn't offered for any of the computers I have.

Do You like using Cortana?

No, I don't use Cortana!

Currently I am using FortKnox Firewall (free) and Avast! (free).

OK. AVG seems to be the most popular antivirus program. All bulletins
and messages coming here, have been scanned by AVG.

I use to "think (TM)" I may want to start using Windows 7, but not
now.

DONT!

O.K.

I have an old computer magazine that shows its cover. At the bottom is
a header that says: "Hasta la Vista!! How you change back to Windows
XP".

I saved the older copies of WIN.INI and SYSTEM.INI by using SaveAs
and changing the INI Extension to numerals, as in WIN.001 for the
first time I saved it and incrementing the number each time I saved another copy of the WIN. file.

I didn't collect old WIN.INI files. When making some changes, it was enough for me to save the previous .INI file as WININI.BAK.

This computer works but I don't think it works as it should.

Neither do I.

The Problem Exists Between The Keyboard And The Chair.

In the years following I have read that a person ought to make a
Full Backup or a Clone HDD as the FIRST THING they do on a new
computer before they connect it to the internet.

M$ recommends, and has a menu item in Win10, to make a recovery USB
stick, right after you have installed it. Good advice to anybody.

That is what this XP computer had me to do when I started using it.
But it wasn't a USB stick it wanted it made on CD's or DVD's.

Yes, a Incremental backup takes a shorter time to do, but if ever I
would have to do a Recovery I would have to Recover the First backup
and EACH ONE of those Incremental backups I had made to get the
computer Restored.

The last Incremental backup contains all shanges you have made since
the first backup.

I was thinking each Incremental backup only has the changes made since
the last Full Backup or the last Incremental backup it made, and to Restore First the Full Backup is Restored and then Each One of the Incremental
backups are Restored in the order that they were made.

As I wrote earlier, I only made a Incremental backup one time and went back
to doing Full Backups after I tried the Incremental method.

Have a good night,

You Too, GN 73 de Ed W9ODR . .

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In a message on Tuesday 06-17-17 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

GE Ed,

What Win10 Telemetry situation?? Never heard of such a thing.

I call it technical information.

Call it whatever you want, but nobody else seems to know such a thing.

I've read a comment that doing that would prevent Edge from giving
any Results from a Search that was done using it.

Edge isn't offered for any of the computers I have.

I use Google if I want to search for something.

The Problem Exists Between The Keyboard And The Chair.

Probably.

M$ recommends, and has a menu item in Win10, to make a recovery USB

That is what this XP computer had me to do when I started using it.
But it wasn't a USB stick it wanted it made on CD's or DVD's.

Maybe the USB sticks had a too small capacity at the time.

The last Incremental backup contains all shanges you have made since
the first backup.

I was thinking each Incremental backup only has the changes made
since the last Full Backup or the last Incremental backup it made,

Think again! The previous changes you have done are contained in the
last incremental backup.

As I wrote earlier, I only made a Incremental backup one time and
went back to doing Full Backups after I tried the Incremental
method.

Safety first. Even though it takes a longer time to make a full B-U,
I think it's worth it.


GN es CU L8ER, Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger


.. "Sam", OH0NC - Aland Islands / 20 deg. E / 60 deg. N
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