Good evening,

I was extremely disappointed with the e-mail editor in Thunderbird
yesterday. I was writing a mail to a friend and wanted to include a
text that I had on another media.

I fought more than half an hour to find a way to do it, but couldn't
find a way. I had finally to settle for including the text as an
attachment.

To copy a text into an editor was possible already in the CP/M days,
and was included in the WordStar command set, along with many more
commands for various other editing functions, that are now missing
from one of the leading e-mail programmes.

Neither could I find a setting to use an alternative editor in T-bird.

Among certainly other editors, including the Semware editor for Windows,
there are all those various text copying, including, moving, functions
still that we have been accustomed to in all these years of computing.

Maybe there is another e-mail program for Windows, that includes a
decent editor, or where you can use an alternative editor.

Normally I use PMMail in OS/2, but this time I was sitting at a Win-10
machine. What a disappointment.


Have a good day,

Holger

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Hi! Holger,

Good morning!

On 07/13/2016 09:37 PM, you wrote:

I was extremely disappointed with the e-mail editor in Thunderbird yesterday. I was writing a mail to a friend and wanted to include a
text that I had on another media.

What media? CD? Floppy? USB? Paper? ;)

I fought more than half an hour to find a way to do it, but couldn't
find a way. I had finally to settle for including the text as an attachment.

You poor fellow. What you experienced was a 'senior moment' with an extended duration. You ought to have called your GS. Maybe you should employ a local teenager on retainer?

OTOH, it must be said that you were handicapped with Win10. It's not all your fault. :)

Cheers,
Paul.

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07-13-16 21:37 Holger Granholm wrote to All about Thunderbird
Howdy! Holger, Good Afternoon.

@MSGID: <57880DC0.14784.windowsa@capcity2.synchro.net>
Good evening,

I was extremely disappointed with the e-mail editor in Thunderbird yesterday. I was writing a mail to a friend and wanted to include a
text that I had on another media.

I fought more than half an hour to find a way to do it, but couldn't
find a way. I had finally to settle for including the text as an attachment.

To copy a text into an editor was possible already in the CP/M days,
and was included in the WordStar command set, along with many more commands for various other editing functions, that are now missing
from one of the leading e-mail programmes.

Neither could I find a setting to use an alternative editor in T-bird.

Among certainly other editors, including the Semware editor for
Windows, there are all those various text copying, including, moving, functions still that we have been accustomed to in all these years of computing.

Maybe there is another e-mail program for Windows, that includes a
decent editor, or where you can use an alternative editor.

Normally I use PMMail in OS/2, but this time I was sitting at a Win-10 machine. What a disappointment.

I use Thunderbird for Email on my XP machine.

If I am at a web page in Firefox that I want to send in an Email to someone
I will Copy the URL shown in Firefox's Address Bar, and then Paste it in to
the message I'm writing in Thunderbird.

I know what I'm writing to You, is "Elementary, Watson", but I'm sorry to
learn that You are having Email problems, and just thought I'd say what I do, and also write to let You know the Big LID is still around.

BTW, Since November last year when I Compacted messages in TB and the several thousand messages that were in my In-Box disappeared, I have found some MozBackup files that I've saved, but I'm concerned if I Restored the last MozBack file I made, would all the messages in the TB In-Box and the other sub-folders below the In-Box which I have received since I had to start over
be Erased?

Guess I ought to take a look-see at the MozBackup web site, HUH?

I'd appreciate knowing if You or anyone else can assist me in getting my copy of Thunderbird to Behave. Thank You.

Until the Compact Crash in November 2015 I had been using Thunderbirds In-Box, to keep all the messages that I wanted to Save, which included the many
Emails that You and many Others have sent to me.

Since last November I have been Moving Email messages that come in the In-Box, that I want to keep, down in to a sub-folder (SUB-DIRECTORY) below the In-Box because none of the messages were lost that I had stored in any of those sub-folders after I Compacted TB last November. Very Strange.

73 and HTH . .


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07-13-16 21:37 Holger Granholm wrote to All about Thunderbird
Howdy! Holger, Good Afternoon.

@MSGID: <57880DC0.14784.windowsa@capcity2.synchro.net>
Good evening,

I was extremely disappointed with the e-mail editor in Thunderbird yesterday. I was writing a mail to a friend and wanted to include a
text that I had on another media.

I fought more than half an hour to find a way to do it, but couldn't find a way. I had finally to settle for including the text as an attachment.

To copy a text into an editor was possible already in the CP/M days,
and was included in the WordStar command set, along with many more commands for various other editing functions, that are now missing
from one of the leading e-mail programmes.

Neither could I find a setting to use an alternative editor in T-bird.

Among certainly other editors, including the Semware editor for
Windows, there are all those various text copying, including, moving, functions still that we have been accustomed to in all these years of computing.

Maybe there is another e-mail program for Windows, that includes a decent editor, or where you can use an alternative editor.

Normally I use PMMail in OS/2, but this time I was sitting at a Win-10 machine. What a disappointment.

I use Thunderbird for Email on my XP machine.

If I am at a web page in Firefox that I want to send in an Email to someone
I will Copy the URL shown in Firefox's Address Bar, and then Paste it in to the message I'm writing in Thunderbird.

I know what I'm writing to You, is "Elementary, Watson", but I'm sorry to learn that You are having Email problems, and just thought I'd say what I do, and also write to let You know the Big LID is still around.

BTW, Since November last year when I Compacted messages in TB and the several thousand messages that were in my In-Box disappeared, I have found some MozBackup files that I've saved, but I'm concerned if I Restored the last MozBack file I made, would all the messages in the TB In-Box and the other sub-folders below the In-Box which I have received since I had to start over be Erased?

Guess I ought to take a look-see at the MozBackup web site, HUH?

I'd appreciate knowing if You or anyone else can assist me in getting my copy of Thunderbird to Behave. Thank You.

Until the Compact Crash in November 2015 I had been using Thunderbirds

In-Box,

to keep all the messages that I wanted to Save, which included the many Emails that You and many Others have sent to me.

Since last November I have been Moving Email messages that come in the

In-Box,

that I want to keep, down in to a sub-folder (SUB-DIRECTORY) below the In-Box because none of the messages were lost that I had stored in any of those sub-folders after I Compacted TB last November. Very Strange.

73 and HTH . .

If you restore an older copy of Mozbackup you WILL lose everything in Thunderbird after the date of the backup being restored.

Typo Tom
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In a message on Saturday 07-15-16 Paul Quinn said to Holger Granholm:

Good morning Paul,

.......... I was writing a mail to a friend and wanted to include a
text that I had on another media.

What media? CD? Floppy? USB? Paper? ;)

Any, but paper.
I could have manually copied the text from paper, but didn't like it!

You poor fellow. What you experienced was a 'senior moment' with an extended duration.

Things like that happen when you get older. OTOH, I didn't see any
advice in your mail, how to do what I wanted to achieve ;o(

You ought to have called your GS.

He doesn't know T-bird either. On behalf of his job, he uses the M$
products.

Hey, just came to think of it, maybe the Windows e-mail program is on
the laptop I got for xmas. After all he used it in his job.

OTOH, it must be said that you were handicapped with Win10. It's
not all your fault. :)

Glad to learn that ;o)


Have a nice day,

Holger

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Hi! Holger,

On 07/16/2016 10:54 AM, you wrote:

You poor fellow. What you experienced was a 'senior moment' with an
extended duration.

Things like that happen when you get older. OTOH, I didn't see any
advice in your mail, how to do what I wanted to achieve ;o(

Yeah, I know. I've been fretting about that for the last couple of days. I'm glad you replied. I was really bereft of the specifics of what you struggled with but am glad you took my jibes in good humour.

You ought to have called your GS.

He doesn't know T-bird either. On behalf of his job, he uses the M$ products.

Hey, just came to think of it, maybe the Windows e-mail program is on
the laptop I got for xmas. After all he used it in his job.

Ah, not a good idea. The Outlook program is another MS product with a big target on its back for hackers and their ilk. It's okay in a work environment but not usually recommended for general community use.

Ahmm, Thunderbird is just another Windows program. It has direct access to & from the Windows "clipboard". Anything that you can get -to- the Windows clipboard usually can be pasted into a Thunderbird email window. Either using the 'Edit' menu option in a text-drafting window or by simply right-clicking the mouse on its window will work.

How about a demonstration? This node's Sunday afternoon's maintenance run produced this echo report for my main node in a _netmail_ (partial extract only)...

-----8<-----C-U-T--H-E-R-E----->8-----
3:640/384.0 Statistics since: 2-Feb-12

Sent netmails: 295/3227 KB
Received netmails: 0/186 KB
Sent echomails: 10780/17 MB
Received echomails: 463341/827 MB
Dupes: 5362 -----8<-----C-U-T--H-E-R-E----->8-----

Now. What was it you were trying to do again? ;)

Cheers,
Paul.

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In a message on Sunday 07-15-16 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

GM Ed,

I was extremely disappointed with the e-mail editor in Thunderbird

I use Thunderbird for Email on my XP machine.

Yes, that's what I wrote also.

If I am at a web page in Firefox that I want to send in an Email to
someone I will Copy the URL shown in Firefox's Address Bar, and then
Paste it in to the message I'm writing in Thunderbird.

Yes, cut and paste is available, but it is cumbersome when you are
accustomed to import a text file straight off by a single command.

I'd say what I do, and also write to let You know the Big LID is
still around.

I'm happy to learn that you are still around.

if I Restored the last MozBack file I made, would all the messages
in the TB In-Box and the other sub-folders below the In-Box which I
have received since I had to start over be Erased?

The trick is to have either different names of the backup files, or to
have them in separate directories. Either move the old files to another directory, or set up a new directory from 'settings'.

Until the Compact Crash in November 2015 I had been using
Thunderbirds In-Box, to keep all the messages that I wanted to Save,

Well, there is an 'Archive' function in TB. Why not use it?

Since last November I have been Moving Email messages that come in
the In-Box, that I want to keep, down in to a sub-folder

I try to keep the Inbox as clean as possible. Received messages stay
there only until I have decided, what to do with them, or to them.

When I restarted my e-mail account, after 3« years QRT, because my ISP
decided not to support POTS connections anymore, I had 1708 messages in
the Inbox. It took some time to clean them out.

I received a Dell laptop updated to Win10 from my GS, and a mobile
internet subscription from my son, as xmas presents.

That's why/how I'm back on the Internet.

BTW, this was the text I wanted to include:
_____________________

Clip from the german Deutsche Amateurfunk Magazin, CQ DL 7/2016,
UKW-Rundschau, p. 52

"What are the expectations for the coming years? Does the Professor of
Physics Harald Lesch, known from german TV, prove to be right, there
will not in the next four to six decades be anymore sunspot maxima.
The 'Small ice age' of the 1800s, the Dalton Minimum, will be repeated.
It may have had other causes *), but the fact remains, that our grand-
or maybe grandgrand children will not be able to fully utilize the bands
above 14 MHz. That would above all be tragic for the 6m band."

Translation by Holger "Sam" Granholm, OH0NC

*) Added by the translator: The trend of the past sunspot cycles show
the same behaviour as the cycles preceeding the "Small ice age". _____________________

This required just the command ^KR and the storage, in this case A:\,
and then the file name. Voil , there it is, in the letter.


73 de Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger

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What media? CD? Floppy? USB? Paper? ;)

Any, but paper.

I must admit that I don't understand your problem.

Do you have a textfile that you can access with your favourite editor?

Does this favourite editor of yours not support the standard Ctrl-A (mark all), -C (copy all marked), -V (paste all) and so on? If so it's not Thunderbird that's at fault, because it's been supporting those old commands from the very beginning.

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klippa_ut,_kopiera,_klistra_in



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In a message on Monday 07-17-16 Bj”rn Felten said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Bj”rn,

I must admit that I don't understand your problem.

Do you have a textfile that you can access with your favourite
editor?

Yes, but I don't know how to access it from the T-bird editor!

You see, I'm new to e-mailing with T-bird, since I have used PMMail
for OS/2 before.

Does this favourite editor of yours not support the standard
Ctrl-A (mark all), -C (copy all marked), -V (paste all) and so on?
If so it's not Thunderbird that's at fault, because it's been
supporting those old commands from the very beginning.

Yes, my favourite editors support all the Ctrl- commands found in WS
and Borland editors.

Also I know about cut and paste, but I can't get that text file I want imported, in the T-bird e-mail editor!

That's it!


Have a good night,

Holger

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Hi! Holger,

On 07/18/2016 12:43 PM, you wrote to Björn Felten:

Also I know about cut and paste, but I can't get that text file I want imported, in the T-bird e-mail editor!

Follow me on this exercise... click on the main T-bird menu item "File". Click
'Open Saved Message'; in the bottom-right of that window, change 'Mail Files' (type) by clicking on the [down arrow] beside it, and change it to "All Files".
From there, navigate to the drive\directory\file that you want to grab text from. Your requested file then opens in its own windowed box.

Cool, hey. :)

Cheers,
Paul.

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In a message on Monday 07-17-16 Paul Quinn said to Holger Granholm:

Good evening Paul,

Things like that happen when you get older. OTOH, I didn't see any
advice in your mail, how to do what I wanted to achieve ;o(

Yeah, I know. I've been fretting about that for the last couple of
days. I'm glad you replied. I was really bereft of the specifics
of what you struggled with but am glad you took my jibes in good
humour.

Well, I'm not so easily angered, especially not when I'm struggling with
things new to me.

Hey, just came to think of it, maybe the Windows e-mail program is
on the laptop I got for xmas. After all he used it in his job.

Ah, not a good idea. The Outlook program is another MS product with
a big target on its back for hackers and their ilk.

Maybe I should try Gmail, but I really don't like that idea either.
I have a feeling that Google (Gmail), plays in the same league as M$.

OTOH, my GS created a Gmail address for me, because he uses that, but
when I tried to get into it, I didn't succed. The reason was that one
character in the password was wrong. I haven't tried since, though I
got the correct chr from my GS.

The chr was a capital one, but I had tred with a lower case letter.
Gmail is case sensitive, you know. <BG>

Ahmm, Thunderbird is just another Windows program. It has direct
access to & from the Windows "clipboard". Anything that you can get
-to- the Windows clipboard usually can be pasted into a Thunderbird
email window.

I know about cut-and-paste, my problem was (is) to get the wanted text displayed. Even that had been unnecessary, because the wanted text was
already on that other media. I just wanted it inserted into the e-mail.

It's easy as a pie, doing it with this QWK program, with the QEdit or
Semware Editor. Just Ctrl-KR (read) f:\dir\file.txt, and voil  it's here

Either using the 'Edit' menu option in a text-drafting window or by
simply right-clicking the mouse on its window will work.

Well yes, there is an edit command in the T-bird menu, but I didn't
become successful with that either.

How about a demonstration? This node's Sunday afternoon's
maintenance run produced this echo report for my main node in a
_netmail_ (partial extract only)...

-----8<-----C-U-T--H-E-R-E----->8-----
3:640/384.0 Statistics since: 2-Feb-12

Sent netmails: 295/3227 KB
Received netmails: 0/186 KB
Sent echomails: 10780/17 MB
Received echomails: 463341/827 MB
Dupes: 5362 -----8<-----C-U-T--H-E-R-E----->8-----

Easy as a pie in this QWK editor, but apparently I have to first show it
before I can cut-and-paste it into T-bird.

I just wish that I could replace the T-bird editor, with for example,
The Semware Editor, that is available in two Windows versions, and can
be configured to use WordStar, Borland, Word Perfect, etc. commands.

Now. What was it you were trying to do again? ;)

As I wrote, I'm newbie trying to learn how to do things in Thunderbird. Consequently, I appreciate all the help I can get.

Have a nice evening,

Holger

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Hi! Holger,

On 07/18/2016 07:38 PM, you wrote:

As I wrote, I'm newbie trying to learn how to do things in Thunderbird. Consequently, I appreciate all the help I can get.

Caution! You may have to adapt your working habits as you make this latest evolutionary step of yours, my friend. :)

I have left a _lot_ of once-favourite programs in my wake over the years A lot. The improvement has been remarkable but has taken far too long, with the in-between steps so slowly introducing measurable advancements.

And then along came my journey with Linux over the last decade, which has nearly doubled my /experimental/ activities. Good golly! No wonder I am an older frail shadow of my former self! ;)

Have a nice evening,

Thank you. The crickets are chirping, and the general hubbub of this end of town is quieting from its industrious weekday high. It's wet BTW, though the 78% humidity is bearable with the current temp of 20.8C (the bureau reckons it feels like 22C). For us, anything over 20C is just fantastic.

I have a cold or light flu (I've had this year's flu-shot), so I feel somewhat lousy. It's only temporary.

Have a great day, yourself.

Cheers,
Paul.

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In a message on Wednesday 07-19-16 Paul Quinn said to Holger Granholm:

Good afternoon Paul,

On 07/18/2016 12:43 PM, you wrote to Björn Felten:

Also I know about cut and paste, but I can't get that text file I want imported, in the T-bird e-mail editor!

Follow me on this exercise... click on the main T-bird menu item
"File". Click 'Open Saved Message'; in the bottom-right of that
window, change 'Mail Files' (type) by clicking on the [down arrow]
beside it, and change it to "All Files".
From there, navigate to the drive\directory\file that you want to
grab text from. Your requested file then opens in its own windowed
box.

Thanks for holding my hand dear friend.

If I can follow your advice on the Win machine, you'll receive
an e-mail, to the address I have in this OS/2 machine, in my loved
PMMail mail program.

I'll be back to it soon.


Have a nice evening,

Holger

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Hi! Holger,

On 20 Jul 16 09:26, you wrote to me:

If I can follow your advice on the Win machine, you'll receive
an e-mail, to the address I have in this OS/2 machine, in my loved
PMMail mail program.

Email received here, gratefully. I replied at 10:54 on 22/07/2016. Have you seen it?[sfx: imbued with nervous tension]

Cheers,
Paul.

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In a message on Thursday 07-19-16 Paul Quinn said to Holger Granholm:

Good evening Paul,

Caution! You may have to adapt your working habits as you make this
latest evolutionary step of yours, my friend. :)

I have already!

I have left a _lot_ of once-favourite programs in my wake over the
years A lot. The improvement has been remarkable but has taken far
too long, with the in-between steps so slowly introducing measurable advancements.

Well, once I get this machine upgraded, I'll be back with my favourite
programs in OS/2. I has however, taken too a long time.

And then along came my journey with Linux over the last decade,
No wonder I am an older frail shadow of my former self! ;)

I too have been interested in Linux, but the case sensitivity has been
the stumbling stone. Other than that, I wouldn't mind learning a new
command set.

Thank you. The crickets are chirping, and the general hubbub of
this end of town is quieting from its industrious weekday high.

Since a few years back I don't hear the crickets anymore, but yesterday
I thought I heard the flapping wings of a butterfly. And there's no bird
that I don't hear.

It's wet BTW, though the 78% humidity is bearable with the current
temp of 20.8C (the bureau reckons it feels like 22C). For us,
anything over 20C is just fantastic.

That temperature is comfortable for us. It has been hovering between
20 - 22ø in the afternoons. The last day we had rain was the 15th,
except an occasional short shower now and then.

I have a cold or light flu (I've had this year's flu-shot), so I
feel somewhat lousy. It's only temporary.

Summer colds are usually difficult to cure. If you take medicines, the
flu will be over in 14 days, if not it'll last 2 weeks.

On the T-bird frontier I had a session last night, without success, on
the stationary machine, but before I gave up I started up the laptop,
to see if the versions were the same, and then saw why I didn't succeed
on the stationary.

On the laptop I saw the left edge of the main T-bird window, with the
File, Edit etc commands and choices.

On the stationary, the mail editor completely covered the main window.
Tonight, I'll shove them apart, and make a new try. This time I'm gonna
succeed ;o).


Have a good nite,

Holger

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Hi! Holger,

On 07/21/2016 09:28 AM, you wrote:

Summer colds are usually difficult to cure. If you take medicines, the
flu will be over in 14 days, if not it'll last 2 weeks.

I guess you could call it summer. The bureau reports the temp was 29.7C (feels
like 27.3C) and 45% humidity, twenty-five minutes ago. Technically it's still winter here. 8-P

Cheers,
Paul.

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In a message on Friday 07-21-16 Holger Granholm said to Paul Quinn:

Good afternoong Paul,

On the stationary, the mail editor completely covered the main
window. Tonight, I'll shove them apart, and make a new try. This
time I'm gonna succeed ;o).

Now I could follow your recipe to import a text, into the e-mail I was creating, and I finally succeeded.

But oh how cumbersome, compared to doing it either with the shorthand
commands I have in my spine, or with the aid of the editors menu bar,
or copying (cutting) text from one window to the other.

That recipe of yours is printed out now, and will help me next time.


Have a good evening,

Holger

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Hi,

On 2016-07-21 09:28:00, Holger Granholm wrote to Paul Quinn:
about: "Re: Thunderbird":

Summer colds are usually difficult to cure. If you take medicines, the
flu will be over in 14 days, if not it'll last 2 weeks.

14 days = 2 weeks, so it doesn't matter if you take medicine or not! ;)

Bye, Wilfred.


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07-16-16 22:41 TOM WALKER wrote to ED VANCE about Re: Thunderbird
Howdy! Tom,

@MSGID: <578B608C.14790.windowsa@capcity2.synchro.net>

07-13-16 21:37 Holger Granholm wrote to All about Thunderbird
Howdy! Holger, Good Afternoon.

@MSGID: <57880DC0.14784.windowsa@capcity2.synchro.net>
Good evening,

I was extremely disappointed with the e-mail editor in Thunderbird yesterday. I was writing a mail to a friend and wanted to include a text that I had on another media.

-Snip-

Maybe there is another e-mail program for Windows, that includes a decent editor, or where you can use an alternative editor.

Normally I use PMMail in OS/2, but this time I was sitting at a Win-10 machine. What a disappointment.

I use Thunderbird for Email on my XP machine.

If I am at a web page in Firefox that I want to send in an Email to someone I will Copy the URL shown in Firefox's Address Bar, and then Paste it in to the message I'm writing in Thunderbird.

I know what I'm writing to You, is "Elementary, Watson", but I'm sorry to learn that You are having Email problems, and just thought I'd say what I

o,

and also write to let You know the Big LID is still around.

BTW, Since November last year when I Compacted messages in TB and the

everal

thousand messages that were in my In-Box disappeared, I have found some MozBackup files that I've saved, but I'm concerned if I Restored the last MozBack file I made, would all the messages in the TB In-Box and the other sub-folders below the In-Box which I have received since I had to start over be Erased?

Guess I ought to take a look-see at the MozBackup web site, HUH?

I'd appreciate knowing if You or anyone else can assist me in getting my

opy

of Thunderbird to Behave. Thank You.

Until the Compact Crash in November 2015 I had been using Thunderbirds

In-Box,

to keep all the messages that I wanted to Save, which included the many Emails that You and many Others have sent to me.

On Mozilla's web site I've read that Thunderbird's In-Box should be cleared
out often. It's a little late for me to learn that, isn't it?

Since last November I have been Moving Email messages that come in the

In-Box,

that I want to keep, down in to a sub-folder (SUB-DIRECTORY) below the

n-Box

because none of the messages were lost that I had stored in any of those sub-folders after I Compacted TB last November. Very Strange.

73 and HTH . .

If you restore an older copy of Mozbackup you WILL lose everything in Thunderbird after the date of the backup being restored.

That is what I thought, Thank You!.

The only other thought I've had on restore all the lost messages in the last MOZBACKUP file and KEEPING all of the newer messages is to make another USER
in XP and install Thunderbird in it and Restore the old MOZBACKUP there.
Then If I want to read or move any of the messages in that In-Box into
another sub-folder to keep them even if I compact the new Users TB messages.

73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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Hi! Holger,

On 07/22/2016 09:20 AM, you wrote:

Now I could follow your recipe to import a text, into the e-mail I was creating, and I finally succeeded.

I need to make you aware of one thing about that method. That function is actually expecting to see a previously saved formatted email. The way it presents standard text files is a wonderful side-effect. Caveat emptor.

In two tests I performed, there were some weird results. One text capture of a
Fidonet message actually formatted correctly for the 'From:' addressee, with its own display field. In another test, there was an imbedded control character that caused the remaining text in the file to _not_ be displayed.

But oh how cumbersome, compared to doing it either with the shorthand commands I have in my spine, or with the aid of the editors menu bar,
or copying (cutting) text from one window to the other.

Well, to my way of thinking the work is pretty much the same as for each. On the one hand, reading in the whole text file requires trimming off excess text above & below the required to-be-quoted section. On the other, the text file is loaded into a separate window and the required to-be-quoted section is selected & pasted.

Six, one way; a half-dozen, going back. Same distance. :)

Cheers,
Paul.

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In a message on Sunday 07-23-16 Paul Quinn said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Paul,

Email received here, gratefully. I replied at 10:54 on 22/07/2016.
Have you seen it?[sfx: imbued with nervous tension]

Yes I have, and replied to it too.


Have a nice day,

Holger

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In a message on Tuesday 07-24-16 Paul Quinn said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Paul,

This day was completely turned upside/down. I woke up at 09:20 instead
of the usual 07:45. I don't know why!

I was to the yearly grill party for the radio amateurs of our club, but
I didn't take any beverages or such, since I drove there and home, and
was home at 21:30, and to bed the customary time.

Now I could follow your recipe to import a text, into the e-mail ..

I need to make you aware of one thing about that method. That
function is actually expecting to see a previously saved formatted
email.

Yes I know, because I've seen it asking for that.

The way it presents standard text files is a wonderful side-effect.

In my case, the text I wanted to import, was created at an OS/2 machine,
and carried over to the Win10 machine on a diskette.

In another test, there was an imbedded control character that caused
the remaining text in the file to _not_ be displayed.

Yes, I have seen that there are all sorts control characters in Fido
messages, when I've looked at the raw text in my file manager.

But oh how cumbersome, compared to doing it either with the shorthand commands I have in my spine, or with the aid of the editors menu bar,

On the one hand, reading in the whole text file requires trimming off excess text above & below the required to-be-quoted section.

I didn't have to do that, but I saw an extra line feed inserted into the
text, but didn't bother to remove it.

On the other, the text file is loaded into a separate window and the required to-be-quoted section is selected & pasted.

Yes, that's the way it works.

22ø here in the morning, and 23.5ø in the afternoon, and a slight breeze
from the sea. So far we haven't had a tropical night. That is a night
when the temperature doesn't drop below 20ø.

When I get up in the morning, the sun has been up already several hours.


Have a nice day,

Holger

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Hi! Holger,

On 26 Jul 16 23:11, you wrote to me:

This day was completely turned upside/down. I woke up at 09:20 instead
of the usual 07:45. I don't know why!

I had a day like that yesterday, Friday. I woke at 08:20-ish instead of my usual at 07:00-ish. That stuffed up the rest of my day. Well, till about 17:00. Then it righted itself.

I was to the yearly grill party for the radio amateurs of our club,
but I didn't take any beverages or such, since I drove there and home,
and was home at 21:30, and to bed the customary time.

No excuse like that here. All I can think of is the damned cold morning(s), as
being the reason. That and the fact that I'm actually closing the back door now. Which helps the hound of the house sleep in. Which also helps my indoor bird-friends sleep in as well (one crazy Lorikeet and one demure Sun Conure).

22ø here in the morning, and 23.5ø in the afternoon, and a slight
breeze from the sea. So far we haven't had a tropical night. That is a night when the temperature doesn't drop below 20ø.

We're back to the seasonal normal range: tomorrow's forecast is a good example 7-25øC. Somewhat uncomfortable in the early hours but I'm okay out on the back
verandah in full sun, enjoying the first smoke of the day at about 09:00. :)

Cheers,
Paul.

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In a message on Sunday 07-30-16 Paul Quinn said to Holger Granholm:

Good evening Paul,

This day was completely turned upside/down. I woke up at 09:20 instead
of the usual 07:45. I don't know why!

I had a day like that yesterday, Friday. I woke at 08:20-ish
instead of my usual at 07:00-ish. That stuffed up the rest of my day

Apparently our bodies/brains do need some extra rest, at times ;o)

I was to the yearly grill party for the radio amateurs of our club,

No excuse like that here. All I can think of is the damned cold morning(s), as being the reason.

Well, we are also closing in on cooler weather but it's not here yet.
There's a say that says; On Jakob's day, he throws a cold stone into the
water. After that, the swimming waters will get colder. Now, Jakob had
his name in the calender on the 26th, but the water isn't getting colder

That and the fact that I'm actually closing the back door now.

I'll soon have to start closing some windows and/or the balcony door,
for the night. Still 21.8øC in the bedroom this morning.

22ø here in the morning, and 23.5ø in the afternoon, and a slight
breeze from the sea. So far we haven't had a tropical night.

We're back to the seasonal normal range: tomorrow's forecast is
good example 7-25øC. Somewhat uncomfortable in the early hours ...

Seems to a very large range of temperatures. The variations here are
smaller, like 0-10ø in the fall and early spring, and now 10-22.

I'm okay out on the back verandah in full sun, enjoying the first
smoke of the day at about 09:00. :)

I'll wait with that until 10:00, ;o) Until then I'm replying to echo
mail, doing the bed, and shaving.

Sometime in the afternoon (not today though), I'll get into the ring to
fight T-bird again. In my tries to get the display to my taste, I
removed the check mark for '[ ] Menu', and now I can't get it back and
am closed out from all settings behind that choice.

To get help I'm used to getting into a help file that came with the
program. Now I have to be connected to the net to get help.


Have a good nite,

Holger

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Hi! Holger,

On 07/31/2016 09:45 AM, you wrote:

I'm okay out on the back verandah in full sun, enjoying the first
smoke of the day at about 09:00. :)

I'll wait with that until 10:00, ;o) Until then I'm replying to echo mail, doing the bed, and shaving.

I saved a step and now have an earlier start in winter, with a two year old beard. :)

Sometime in the afternoon (not today though), I'll get into the ring to fight T-bird again. In my tries to get the display to my taste, I
removed the check mark for '[ ] Menu', and now I can't get it back and
am closed out from all settings behind that choice.

Just right-click in a blank area just under the program's title bar. You should
get a pop-up menu that ought to help you.

To get help I'm used to getting into a help file that came with the program. Now I have to be connected to the net to get help.

I never noticed that; I've been spoiled with every other email program preparing me for Tbird's quirks.

Have a good nite,

Spot on again! How do you do it. ;)

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hi Holger.

13 Jul 16 21:37, you wrote to All:

Normally I use PMMail in OS/2, but this time I was sitting at a Win-10 machine. What a disappointment.

There is PMMail for Windows. Just google for 'pmmail 2000'.

'Tommi

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In a message on Wednesday 08-02-16 Tommi Koivula said to Holger Granholm:

Moin Tommi,

Normally I use PMMail in OS/2, but this time I was sitting at a
WIN-10 machine. What a disappointment.

There is PMMail for Windows. Just google for 'pmmail 2000'.

Yes I know, and I have it, but there's nobody that could accepts
registrations, so the copy I have installed, has died.

There doesn't seem to be any development of it either, and the people
that keep the OS/2 version cannot help. I've tried that too.


Terveisin,

Holger

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In a message on Wednesday 08-02-16 Paul Quinn said to Holger Granholm:

Howdy Paul,

Until then I'm replying to echo
mail, doing the bed, and shaving.

I saved a step and now have an earlier start in winter, with a two
year old beard. :)

I did once try to start a beard, but I couldn't stand the itching.

removed the check mark for '[ ] Menu', and now I can't get it back
and am closed out from all settings behind that choice.

Just right-click in a blank area just under the program's title bar.
You should get a pop-up menu that ought to help you.

In some way I managed to get it back, though I'm not shure how, <BG>.

I also managed to get back the folder (it had disappeared too), with the directory tree icons on the left. That I know how I did it.

I never noticed that; I've been spoiled with every other email
program preparing me for Tbird's quirks.

Have a good nite,

Spot on again! How do you do it. ;)

Easy my friend, before starting a reply, I look at what time the
recipient had posted the mail.

Have a nice evening,

Holger

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