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Hello All,

an updated version including important bug fixes is available at

http://www.winpoint.org/WP_387.zip

Regards,
Tim
--- WinPoint 387.0
* Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:240/1120.29)

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º Û Û ÛÛÛÛ WinPoint º
º Û Û Û Û Public Beta 7 º
º Û Û ÛÛÛÛ (Version 387) º
º Û Û Û Û º
º Û Û Û Released 2022-01-09 º ÇÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄĶ

[...]

an updated version including important bug fixes is available at

http://www.winpoint.org/WP_387.zip

That was fast - thank you!

Installed and seems to work fine with dates. I'll continue testing...

Carlos
--- WinPoint 387.0
* Origin: Original *WinPoint* Origin (2:341/234.5)

Ctrl+A (select all) does not work in the message editor.

Carlos
--- WinPoint 387.0
* Origin: Original *WinPoint* Origin (2:341/234.5)

Unlike in beta 5, Ctrl+Y now works as expected, but... the last line cannot be deleted (unless you append a blank line in the end).

Related feature request:

It would be nice to be able to undo this, like with Ctrl+U in GoldEd.

I know you can select and cut with the usual Windows keystrokes, but for some of us Ctrl+Y and Ctrl+U are so convenient for removing quotes, etc...

Carlos

--- WinPoint 387.0
* Origin: Original *WinPoint* Origin (2:341/234.5)

//Hello Carlos,//

on *09.01.22* at *18:50:40* You wrote in rea *WINPOINT*
to *Tim Schattkowsky* about *"WInPoint Beta 7 Available"*.

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º Û Û ÛÛÛÛ WinPoint º
º Û Û Û Û Public Beta 7 º
º Û Û ÛÛÛÛ (Version 387) º
º Û Û Û Û º
º Û Û Û Released 2022-01-09 º
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[...]

an updated version including important bug fixes is available at

http://www.winpoint.org/WP_387.zip

That was fast - thank you!

Installed and seems to work fine with dates. I'll continue testing...

Thanks for testing!

Regards,
Tim
--- WinPoint 387.0
* Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:240/1120.29)

When you forward a message from e.g. ECHO1, if you change the destination Area from the default (Netmail) to another in the dropdown list (e.g. ECHO2), it is changed to the ECHO1. You have to select ECHO2 again - and then it works ok.

Related feature request:

It would be nice that some informative text is inserted before the forwarded message text, like:

* Forwarded from WINPOINT
* Originally by: Tim Schattkowsky (2:240/1120.29), 09 Jan 2022 18:16.
* Originally to: All.

Carlos

--- WinPoint 387.0
* Origin: Original *WinPoint* Origin (2:341/234.5)

//Hello Carlos,//

on *09.01.22* at *19:57:28* You wrote in rea *WINPOINT*
to *Tim Schattkowsky* about *"Ctrl+A"*.

Ctrl+A (select all) does not work in the message editor.

Fixed in version 388 :)

Regards,
Tim
--- WinPoint 387.0
* Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:240/1120.29)

//Hello Carlos,//

on *09.01.22* at *20:06:42* You wrote in rea *WINPOINT*
to *Tim Schattkowsky* about *"Ctrl+Y"*.

Unlike in beta 5, Ctrl+Y now works as expected, but... the last line cannot be deleted (unless you append a blank line in the end).

Fixed in 388.

Related feature request:

It would be nice to be able to undo this, like with Ctrl+U in GoldEd.

Funy enough, redo was in but hidden from the menu because in earlier versions the menu was customizable but that went ayway when switching to another control so essentially redo disappeared, also because no shortcur was assigned.

I know you can select and cut with the usual Windows keystrokes, but for some of us Ctrl+Y and Ctrl+U are so convenient for removing quotes,
etc...

The shortcut however just gave me headache, as Ctrl-Y would be the windows standard. I decided for now to go with Ctrl-U to be consistent with the existing Ctrl-Y that seems to be quite popular ;)

Regards,
Tim
--- WinPoint 388.0
* Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:240/1120.29)

//Hello Carlos,//

on *09.01.22* at *20:36:18* You wrote in rea *WINPOINT*
to *Tim Schattkowsky* about *"Forwarding"*.

When you forward a message from e.g. ECHO1, if you change the destination Area from the default (Netmail) to another in the dropdown list (e.g. ECHO2), it is changed to the ECHO1. You have to select ECHO2 again - and then it works ok.

Jep, noticed this as well. Will sooner or later grab it.

Related feature request:

It would be nice that some informative text is inserted before the forwarded message text, like:

* Forwarded from WINPOINT
* Originally by: Tim Schattkowsky (2:240/1120.29), 09 Jan 2022 18:16.
* Originally to: All.

This exists. When forwarding a message, the header/footer from the source (!) area textgroup is inserted. However, many people seem to miss this as the textgroup has to be created upfront and assigned to the area.

Actually, the default area's textgroup will be assigned to any newly created area, BUT after installtion it does not exist and most people seem not to assign one and thus end up with a lot of areas without text group assigned. I have on my list to make WP create the default text group and assign it to the prototype area during setup.

Regards,
Tim
--- WinPoint 388.0
* Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:240/1120.29)

//Hallo Carlos,//

on *09.01.22* at *21:10:32* *Tim Schattkowsky* wrote in area *WINPOINT*
to *you* about *"Re: Forwarding"*:

This exists. When forwarding a message, the header/footer from the source (!) area textgroup is inserted. However, many people seem to miss this as the textgroup has to be created upfront and assigned to the area.

While thinking about this, I realize that not the source area text group is applied, but the destination area text group. Since the default destination area for forwarding in WP is Netmail, the corresponding text group is applied to all forwarded messages regardless of the message language or actual destination area.

However, I think using the source area text group (as I claimed) makes indeed much more sense, since
- it probably matches the language of the conference (and thus the forwarded message)
- the user will determine the actual destination area in the editor. Will change it to that for the next release.

Regards,
Tim
--- WinPoint 388.0
* Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:240/1120.29)

//Hallo Carlos,//

on *09.01.22* at *21:10:32* *Tim Schattkowsky* wrote in area *WINPOINT*
to *you* about *"Re: Forwarding"*:

When you forward a message from e.g. ECHO1, if you change the
destination Area from the default (Netmail) to another in the dropdown
list (e.g. ECHO2), it is changed to the ECHO1. You have to select ECHO2
again - and then it works ok.

Jep, noticed this as well. Will sooner or later grab it.

Fixed it.

Regards,
Tim
--- WinPoint 388.0
* Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:240/1120.29)

Ctrl+A (select all) does not work in the message editor.

Fixed in version 388 :)

Tested with 389. Great!

Carlos
--- WinPoint 389.0
* Origin: Original *WinPoint* Origin (2:341/234.5)

Unlike in beta 5, Ctrl+Y now works as expected, but... the last line
cannot be deleted (unless you append a blank line in the end).

Fixed in 388.

Checked with 389.

It would be nice to be able to undo this, like with Ctrl+U in GoldEd.

Funy enough, redo was in but hidden from the menu because in earlier versions the menu was customizable but that went ayway when switching to another control so essentially redo disappeared, also because no shortcur was assigned.

I know you can select and cut with the usual Windows keystrokes, but for
some of us Ctrl+Y and Ctrl+U are so convenient for removing quotes,
etc...

The shortcut however just gave me headache, as Ctrl-Y would be the
windows standard. I decided for now to go with Ctrl-U to be consistent with the existing Ctrl-Y that seems to be quite popular ;)

So you will implement this? I see that Ctrl-E is the new shortcut for inserting UUEncoded files, but Ctrl-U does nothing.

Carlos

--- WinPoint 389.0
* Origin: Original *WinPoint* Origin (2:341/234.5)

When you forward a message from e.g. ECHO1, if you change the
destination Area from the default (Netmail) to another in the dropdown
list (e.g. ECHO2), it is changed to the ECHO1. You have to select ECHO2
again - and then it works ok.

Jep, noticed this as well. Will sooner or later grab it.

Fixed it.

Checked. Thanks!

Carlos
--- WinPoint 389.0
* Origin: Original *WinPoint* Origin (2:341/234.5)

This exists. When forwarding a message, the header/footer from the source (!) area textgroup is inserted. However, many people seem to miss this as the textgroup has to be created upfront and assigned to the area.

[...]

Sorry, I should have explored Winpoint's settings before requesting anything... O:-)

I installed it some months ago (I hadn't used it before), I was testing easy-to-use point solutions.
I found some issues, I intended to revisit it later when a new release was available (by Dale, or now you). So I didn't realize it has so many options.

Carlos

--- WinPoint 389.0
* Origin: Original *WinPoint* Origin (2:341/234.5)

//Hello Carlos,//

on *14.01.22* at *21:21:17* You wrote in rea *WINPOINT*
to *Tim Schattkowsky* about *"Ctrl+Y"*.

The shortcut however just gave me headache, as Ctrl-Y would be the
windows standard. I decided for now to go with Ctrl-U to be consistent
with the existing Ctrl-Y that seems to be quite popular ;)

So you will implement this? I see that Ctrl-E is the new shortcut for inserting UUEncoded files, but Ctrl-U does nothing.

Works like a charm here !?

Regards,
Tim
--- WinPoint 390.0
* Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:240/1120.29)

Hello Tim!

*** Saturday 15.01.22 at 13:36:58, Tim Schattkowsky wrote to Carlos Navarro:

The shortcut however just gave me headache, as Ctrl-Y would be the
windows standard. I decided for now to go with Ctrl-U to be consistent
with the existing Ctrl-Y that seems to be quite popular ;)

So you will implement this? I see that Ctrl-E is the new shortcut for
inserting UUEncoded files, but Ctrl-U does nothing.

Works like a charm here !?

Works like a charm here also :)

Regards,
Martin

--- WinPoint 389.0
* Origin: WinPoint Test Rig - UK - (2:310/31.7)

So you will implement this? I see that Ctrl-E is the new shortcut for
inserting UUEncoded files, but Ctrl-U does nothing.

Works like a charm here !?

When replying to a message, I press Ctrl-Y and current line is deleted. Immediately after, I press Ctrl-U. No change.

I expected it to work like in GoldEd (delete line, undelete line), but I now see that I hadn't realized that Ctrl-Y is the usual keystroke for redoing in Windows... I don't use that when I'm in Fido-mode O:-)

Thinking about it, maybe Ctrl-Y should work the standard way (redo) in WinPoint, as that could be what most potential Windows users would expect, and use a different keystroke like Alt-D (the alternative one in GoldEd) or Ctrl-L (like in Notepad++) for deleting the current line. What do you think?

Carlos

--- WinPoint 389.0
* Origin: Original *WinPoint* Origin (2:341/234.5)

//Hello Carlos,//

on *16.01.22* at *20:09:08* You wrote in rea *WINPOINT*
to *Tim Schattkowsky* about *"Ctrl+Y"*.

So you will implement this? I see that Ctrl-E is the new shortcut for
inserting UUEncoded files, but Ctrl-U does nothing.

Works like a charm here !?

When replying to a message, I press Ctrl-Y and current line is deleted. Immediately after, I press Ctrl-U. No change.

Indeed. The delete line functionality (basically one line of code) was implemented outside the actual editor control and thus accidentally bypassed the control's undo/redo functionality.

However, making that work gave me the creeps. I ended up with this (no kidding):

procedure TMessageEditor.MnDeleteLineClick(Sender: TObject);
var
LineStart:TBufferCoord;
begin
if Line<=Editor.Lines.Count then
begin
LineStart.Line :=Line;
LineStart.Char :=1;
Editor.UndoList.BeginBlock;
Editor.UndoList.AddChange(crSelection,Editor.CharIndexToRowCol(Editor.SelStart),Editor.CharIndexToRowCol(Editor.SelEnd),'',smNormal);
Editor.UndoList.AddChange(crCaret,Editor.CaretXY,Editor.CaretXY,'',smNormal);
Editor.SelStart :=Editor.RowColToCharIndex(LineStart);
Editor.SelLength :=Length(Editor.Lines[Line-1])+2;
Editor.SelText :='';
Editor.UndoList.AddChange(crGroupBreak,LineStart,LineStart,'', smNormal);
Editor.UndoList.EndBlock;
end;
end;

Hurts a little, but seems to do the job. Took me two hours of life time to figure that sick shit out.

I expected it to work like in GoldEd (delete line, undelete line), but I now see that I hadn't realized that Ctrl-Y is the usual keystroke for redoing in Windows... I don't use that when I'm in Fido-mode O:-)

Indeed.

Thinking about it, maybe Ctrl-Y should work the standard way (redo) in WinPoint, as that could be what most potential Windows users would
expect, and use a different keystroke like Alt-D (the alternative one in GoldEd) or Ctrl-L (like in Notepad++) for deleting the current line. What do you think?

Like the idea. Changed it to this for testing ... However, Ctrl-Y was more conveniently located on the keyboard ...

Regards,
Tim
--- WinPoint 391.0
* Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:240/1120.29)