Hello Tim!

Decided to change the colour scheme in the reader and editor .....

Text: R=255, G=255, B=255
Quotes: R=166, G=202, B=240
Control Information: R=192, G=220, B=192
Background: R=100, G=100, B=100

Looks great and suits my taste perfectly until I start to write a message. I'm having trouble seeing the cursor because it's a very thin vertical line and it's almost the same colour as my new background colour. I've tried changing the background colour to a slightly lighter shade and that does improve matters but I feel that a block cursor would further improve matters, what do you think?

Regards,
Martin

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//Hello Martin,//

on *09.02.22* at *13:44:07* You wrote in Area *WINPOINT*
to *Tim Schattkowsky* about *"Cursor almost invisible"*.

Hello Tim!

Decided to change the colour scheme in the reader and editor .....

Text: R=255, G=255, B=255
Quotes: R=166, G=202, B=240
Control Information: R=192, G=220, B=192
Background: R=100, G=100, B=100
Looks great and suits my taste perfectly

On my (calibrated) monitor this is quote horrible and milky with low text/background contrast. Since standard white is not the brightest, it looks like bright grey on light grey ...

until I start to write a message. I'm having trouble seeing the cursor because it's a very thin vertical line and it's almost the same colour as my new background colour.

Still, the cursor here is perfectly visible and appears more like the text than the background.

I've tried changing the background colour to a slightly lighter

Well the cursor is brighter than the background here, so adjusting it that direction is not supposed to help?

shade and that does improve matters but I feel that a block cursor would further improve matters, what do you think?

Block cursors are today used to indicate overwrite mode. Try pressing <Insert> in the editor to see one. Thus, this is IMO not an option here (and would involve changing the underlying control).

I truly believe your display needs help. However, there is also a lot of difference in human perception (let alone taste), that might also be involved here. Will check, if there are options to modify the cursor itself in any way without rewriting the control.

Regards,
Tim
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Hello Tim!

*** Wednesday 09.02.22 at 17:33:04, Tim Schattkowsky wrote to Martin Foster:

Decided to change the colour scheme in the reader and editor .....

Text: R=255, G=255, B=255
Quotes: R=166, G=202, B=240
Control Information: R=192, G=220, B=192
Background: R=100, G=100, B=100
Looks great and suits my taste perfectly

On my (calibrated) monitor this is quote horrible and milky with low text/background contrast. Since standard white is not the brightest, it looks like bright grey on light grey ...

I've taken your subtle hint and calibrated my monitor but although things look a bit better now, they're not perfect. I'll play some more and see if I can improve it a bit more ;-))

[snip]

Block cursors are today used to indicate overwrite mode. Try pressing <Insert> in the editor to see one.

Ah yes, of course but as I seldom use overwrite mode, I'd completely forgotten about that.

Thus, this is IMO not an option here (and would involve changing the underlying control).

OK, fair comment.

I truly believe your display needs help.

Yes, it did :)

However, there is also a lot of difference in human perception (let alone taste), that might also be involved here.

Yep.

Will check, if there are options to modify the cursor itself in any way without rewriting the control.

Might be better to leave things as they are because it's obviously my monitor that's causing my problem.

Regards,
Martin

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Hello Martin Foster!

** On Thursday 10.02.22 - 11:45, Martin Foster wrote to Tim Schattkowsky:

Decided to change the colour scheme in the reader and editor .....

Text: R=255, G=255, B=255
Quotes: R=166, G=202, B=240
Control Information: R=192, G=220, B=192
Background: R=100, G=100, B=100
Looks great and suits my taste perfectly

Screenshot! :D

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//Hello Martin,//

on *09.02.22* at *17:33:04* *Tim Schattkowsky* wrote in area *WINPOINT*
to *you* about *"Re: Cursor almost invisible"*:

Will check, if there are options to modify the cursor
itself in any way without rewriting the control.

Turns out I can tell the control to use a "half block" cursor (meaning it covers the lower half of the character box). But it feels odd/antique.

Regards,
Tim
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* Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:240/1120.29)

Decided to change the colour scheme in the reader and editor .....

Text: R=255, G=255, B=255
Quotes: R=166, G=202, B=240
Control Information: R=192, G=220, B=192
Background: R=100, G=100, B=100

I prefer light background and dark text. I find it more consistent with the other panes, and I have become used to this (most GUIs, the Web...) over the years.

I currently have black text, dark green quotes, grey control info and white background both in reader and editor. (I also have it this way in GoldEd+, BTW)

Carlos

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Hello Tim!

*** Thursday 10.02.22 at 13:20:48, Tim Schattkowsky wrote to Martin Foster:

Will check, if there are options to modify the cursor itself in any way
without rewriting the control.

Turns out I can tell the control to use a "half block" cursor (meaning it covers the lower half of the character box). But it feels odd/antique.

^^^^^^^^^^^
LOL!

After having another session fiddling with the monitor calibration this morning, I've managed to improve things a bit more. I've also made the background slightly darker and that's improved things even more. I'll have another session tomorrow to see if I can squeeze a bit more out of this ;)

Regards,
Martin

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Hello August!

*** Thursday 10.02.22 at 13:44:00, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Decided to change the colour scheme in the reader and editor .....

Text: R=255, G=255, B=255
Quotes: R=166, G=202, B=240
Control Information: R=192, G=220, B=192
Background: R=100, G=100, B=100
Looks great and suits my taste perfectly

Screenshot! :D

https://stargate.org.uk/winpoint/temp/editor.png

Note that I've changed the backgound to R=75, G=75, B=75

Regards,
Martin

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Hello Carlos!

*** Thursday 10.02.22 at 16:44:29, Carlos Navarro wrote to Martin Foster:

[snip]

I currently have black text, dark green quotes, grey control info and white background both in reader and editor. (I also have it this way in GoldEd+, BTW)

Yes, that's the way I had it but I'm accustomed to seeing white text on a black background where message editors/readers are concerned. That's probably because I was brought up on DOS :)

Regards,
Martin

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Hello Martin Foster!

** On Friday 11.02.22 - 10:50, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

Screenshot! :D

https://stargate.org.uk/winpoint/temp/editor.png

Note that I've changed the backgound to R=75, G=75, B=75

That's a very nice easy-on-the-eyes combo you got there.

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../|ug

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* Origin: My Westcoast Point (1:153/757.21)

Hello August!

*** Friday 11.02.22 at 13:43:00, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Screenshot! :D

https://stargate.org.uk/winpoint/temp/editor.png

Note that I've changed the backgound to R=75, G=75, B=75

That's a very nice easy-on-the-eyes combo you got there.

Thank you and I'm glad you think so because that was the whole object of the exercise.

Did you spot the //deliberate// mistake .....

..... the filename indicates that the screenshot was of the editor, when in fact, it's a screenshot of the reader. It doesn't really matter because the colour scheme is the same for both. Just thought I'd mention that =8)

Regards,
Martin

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