Hello Tim!

I really don't believe what happened earlier this morning .....

- Polled my primary uplink for mail(mail received, nothing to send)

- Clicked the "Reports" folder in the message tree

- Three new reports displayed in the message list

- Clicked on the first one and managed to read it

- Tried to click on the second one but the mouse pointer wouldn't move(locked up)

- Within a few seconds, my PC rebooted itself

- Fired up WinPoint and clicked on the "Reports" folder in the message tree and I got an "Access Violation" popup - see https://stargate.org.uk/winpoint/screenshots/access_violation.jpg

- Clicked the "Ok" button to dismiss the popup and noticed that the "Reports" message list was completely empty

Every time I click the "Reports" folder, I get the "Access Violation" popup and an empty message list but having looked in the messagebase directory, the "Reports" message base files are actually there.

How do I recover the situation?

Regards,
Martin

--- WinPoint 407.0
* Origin: WinPoint Test Rig - UK - (2:280/464.27)

//Hello Martin,//

on *26.05.22* at *12:39:02* You wrote in Area *WINPOINT*
to *Tim Schattkowsky* about *"My WinPoint install is broken"*.

- Tried to click on the second one but the mouse pointer wouldn't move(locked up)
- Within a few seconds, my PC rebooted itself

Okay, that sounds like a hardware/driver issue. Probably some data got damaged at that point.

- Fired up WinPoint and clicked on the "Reports" folder in the message tree and I got an "Access Violation" popup - see https://stargate.org.uk/winpoint/screenshots/access_violation.jpg

- Clicked the "Ok" button to dismiss the popup and noticed that the "Reports" message list was completely empty

Every time I click the "Reports" folder, I get the "Access Violation" popup and an empty message list but having looked in the messagebase directory, the "Reports" message base files are actually there.

How do I recover the situation?

Make a backup of the files related to the report area. Use that old message base doctor (probably still does the job) to repair the files. If that does not work, just delete the files (and loose all those reports).

Regards,
Tim

--- WinPoint 408.3
* Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:240/1120.29)

Hello Tim!

*** Thursday 26.05.22 at 19:35:56, Tim Schattkowsky wrote to Martin Foster:

- Tried to click on the second one but the mouse pointer wouldn't
move(locked up)
- Within a few seconds, my PC rebooted itself

Okay, that sounds like a hardware/driver issue. Probably some data got damaged at that point.

Yep, I agree because I do tend to get occasional/mysterious reboots these days.

- Fired up WinPoint and clicked on the "Reports" folder in the message
tree and I got an "Access Violation" popup - see
https://stargate.org.uk/winpoint/screenshots/access_violation.jpg

- Clicked the "Ok" button to dismiss the popup and noticed that the
"Reports" message list was completely empty

Every time I click the "Reports" folder, I get the "Access Violation"
popup and an empty message list but having looked in the messagebase
directory, the "Reports" message base files are actually there.

How do I recover the situation?

Make a backup of the files related to the report area. Use that old message base doctor (probably still does the job) to repair the files. If that does not work, just delete the files (and loose all those reports).

It worked and thank you very much indeed for your expert help :-)))

For the benefit of others, it was just a simple matter of executing "wpdoctor.exe", which is in the same directory as the WinPoint executable, and then selecting the "Reports" area from the list of areas in the dialogue and then clicking the button to set it going. All very quick, easy and painless. Here's the output from the repair utility .....

---------- 8< ----------
13:22:05 Area: REPORT
13:22:05 * ERR! Die Datei C:\Users\ms_ac\AppData\Roaming\WinPoint\MsgBase\REPORT.PackedIndex ist beschädigt
13:22:32 * Die Area wurde repariert
13:22:32 * Die Area hat 588 unindizierte Messages
13:22:32 * Die Area hatte 1 Fehler

13:22:32 * DONE Fertig
13:22:32 =============================================================
13:22:32 Es sind 1 Fehler aufgetreten
13:22:32 Gültige Nachrichten: 588
13:22:32 Ungültige Nachrichten: 0
---------- 8< ----------

Another nice point is that the repair utility made a backup of the existing corrupt index file and gave it an extension of ".Backup" .....

---------- 8< ----------
26/05/2022 13:41 480,544 REPORT.PackedBody
27/05/2022 13:22 32,581 REPORT.PackedIndex
26/05/2022 13:41 26,321 REPORT.PackedIndex.Backup
---------- 8< ----------

Nice! :)

Regards,
Martin

--- WinPoint 407.0
* Origin: WinPoint Test Rig - UK - (2:280/464.27)

Hello Martin!

** On Friday 27.05.22 - 14:10, you wrote:

- Tried to click on the second one but the mouse pointer
wouldn't move(locked up) - Within a few seconds, my PC
rebooted itself

Okay, that sounds like a hardware/driver issue. Probably
some data got damaged at that point.

Yep, I agree because I do tend to get occasional/
mysterious reboots these days.

Years ago when my beloved T60 laptop would reboot, it was
usually do to an overheating issue. Fresh heatsink grease
between the CPU and heatsink, as well as a new system fan,
solved the problem.

--
../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.51
* Origin: My Westcoast Point (1:153/757.21)

Hello August!

*** Friday 27.05.22 at 20:02, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

- Tried to click on the second one but the mouse pointer
wouldn't move(locked up) - Within a few seconds, my PC
rebooted itself

Okay, that sounds like a hardware/driver issue. Probably
some data got damaged at that point.

Yep, I agree because I do tend to get occasional/
mysterious reboots these days.

Years ago when my beloved T60 laptop would reboot, it was
usually do to an overheating issue. Fresh heatsink grease
between the CPU and heatsink, as well as a new system fan,
solved the problem.

Yep, I'd been thinking along those lines but I've finally bitten the
bullet and splashed out on a complete new PC system. I'd been considering doing this for quite some time and I'm glad I've done it. The difference
has to be seen to be believed, it's utterley staggering! :-))

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.56
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin Foster!

** On Wednesday 01.06.22 - 08:27, you wrote to me:

[...] but I've finally bitten the bullet and splashed out
on a complete new PC system. I'd been considering doing
this for quite some time and I'm glad I've done it. The
difference has to be seen to be believed, it's utterley
staggering! :-))

Laptop, I presume?

I thought you already had a COUPLE sytems, one for Linux and
another Windows.

--
../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.51
* Origin: My Westcoast Point (1:153/757.21)

Hello August!

*** Wednesday 01.06.22 at 07:20, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

[...] but I've finally bitten the bullet and splashed out
on a complete new PC system. I'd been considering doing
this for quite some time and I'm glad I've done it. The
difference has to be seen to be believed, it's utterley
staggering! :-))

Laptop, I presume?

I thought you already had a COUPLE sytems, one for Linux and
another Windows.

I'll reply by netmail in due course :)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.56
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hallo Tim,

on *26.05.22* at *19:35:56* you wrote in the Area *WINPOINT*
to *Martin Foster* one message with
Thema *"Re: My WinPoint install is broken"*.

If I poll my boss with a ipv6 number and the party is unable to switch to ipv6 and stays with ipv4 the connection failed.

In c# it is allowed to switch to ipv4 instead op ipv6

I hope you can read some c# https://www.meziantou.net/forcing-httpclient-to-use-ipv4-or-ipv6-addresses.htm

Rinaldo Visscher
--- WinPoint 407.0
* Origin: C-Sharp programmer (2:280/5555.10)

//Hello Rinaldo,//

on *06.06.22* at *17:07:57* You wrote in Area *WINPOINT*
to *Tim Schattkowsky* about *"Problem ipv6 vs ipv4"*.

Hallo Tim,

on 26.05.22 at 19:35:56 you wrote in the Area WINPOINT to Martin Foster one message with
Thema "Re: My WinPoint install is broken".

If I poll my boss with a ipv6 number and the party is unable to switch

What does that mean. An ipv6 address in [...] form or DNS resoloved to IPv6?

to ipv6 and stays with ipv4 the connection failed.

Regards,
Tim

--- WinPoint 408.3
* Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:240/1120.29)

Hallo Tim,

on *13.06.22* at *16:05:59* you wrote in the Area *WINPOINT*
to *Rinaldo Visscher* one message with
Thema *"Re: Problem ipv6 vs ipv4"*.

If I poll my boss with a ipv6 number and the party is unable to switch

What does that mean. An ipv6 address in [...] form or DNS resoloved to IPv6?

If I poll with ipv6 and the boss does have only ipv4 connection connection at winpoint site does not fallback to ip4

to ipv6 and stays with ipv4 the connection failed.

Regards,
Tim

--- WinPoint 408.3
* Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:240/1120.29)

Rinaldo Visscher
--- WinPoint 407.0
* Origin: C-Sharp programmer (2:280/5555.10)

//Hello Rinaldo,//

on *14.06.2022* at *17:31:06* You wrote in Area *WINPOINT*
to *Tim Schattkowsky* about *"Problem ipv6 vs ipv4"*.

If I poll my boss with a ipv6 number and the party is unable to switch

What does that mean. An ipv6 address in [...] form or DNS resoloved to
IPv6?

If I poll with ipv6 and the boss does have only ipv4 connection
connection at winpoint site does not fallback to ip4

Your terminology is ambiguous as there is no "poll with ipv6" button in the software. So I am still not sure what you mean.

Please tell me what host name do you use for polling and what do you think what happens and what should happen.

For now, I suspect you use a host name that resolves to IPv6 (or even is an actual IPv6 address), but the IPv6 connection does not work (for whatever reason that is probably outside WP) and you now expect WP to automatically fallback to IPv4 for the same host !?

Regards,
Tim
--- WinPoint 408.3
* Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:240/1120.29)

Hallo Tim,

on *14.06.22* at *18:07:14* you wrote in the Area *WINPOINT*
to *Rinaldo Visscher* one message with
Thema *"Re: Problem ipv6 vs ipv4"*.

Hello Rinaldo,

on 14.06.2022 at 17:31:06 You wrote in Area WINPOINT to Tim Schattkowsky about "Problem ipv6 vs ipv4".

If I poll my boss with a ipv6 number and the party is unable to
switch

What does that mean. An ipv6 address in [...] form or DNS resoloved to
IPv6?

If I poll with ipv6 and the boss does have only ipv4 connection
connection at winpoint site does not fallback to ip4

Your terminology is ambiguous as there is no "poll with ipv6" button in the software. So I am still not sure what you mean.

Please tell me what host name do you use for polling and what do you
think what happens and what should happen.

For now, I suspect you use a host name that resolves to IPv6 (or even is an actual IPv6 address), but the IPv6 connection does not work (for whatever reason that is probably outside WP) and you now expect WP to automatically fallback to IPv4 for the same host !?

The ipv6 button on the software is the button POLL. If the other site does not respond on the ipv6 call, winpoint hangs on the terminalscreen expecting a ipv4 call.

Don't know how to explain but what are possble other reasons outsite the program WP hangs?

{
try
call ipv4
if(failed)
call ipv6

simplyfied code

Rinaldo Visscher
--- WinPoint 407.0
* Origin: C-Sharp programmer (2:280/5555.10)

//Hello Rinaldo,//

on *15.06.22* at *0:06:53* You wrote in Area *WINPOINT*
to *Tim Schattkowsky* about *"Problem ipv6 vs ipv4"*.

Don't know how to explain but what are possble other reasons outsite the program WP hangs?

{
try
call ipv4
if(failed)
call ipv6

simplyfied code

Why do you never reply to my questions and instead try to teach me programming? That is slightly insulting. I have written millions of lines of code in my life and need no help with control structures or whatever.

Regards,
Tim

--- WinPoint 408.3
* Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:240/1120.29)

Hallo Tim,

on *16.06.22* at *18:47:02* you wrote in the Area *WINPOINT*
to *Rinaldo Visscher* one message with
Thema *"Re: Problem ipv6 vs ipv4"*.

Why do you never reply to my questions and instead try to teach me programming? That is slightly insulting. I have written millions of lines of code in my life and need no help with control structures or whatever.

It was no intend to be insulting someone/body. Ik only want to try to make a bugfree program with suggestions.

Rinaldo Visscher
--- WinPoint 407.0
* Origin: C-Sharp programmer (2:280/5555.10)

//Hello Rinaldo,//

on *17.06.2022* at *7:37:34* You wrote in Area *WINPOINT*
to *Tim Schattkowsky* about *"Problem ipv6 vs ipv4"*.

Hallo Tim,

on 16.06.22 at 18:47:02 you wrote in the Area WINPOINT to Rinaldo
Visscher one message with
Thema "Re: Problem ipv6 vs ipv4".

Why do you never reply to my questions and instead try to teach me
programming? That is slightly insulting. I have written millions of
lines of code in my life and need no help with control structures or
whatever.

It was no intend to be insulting someone/body. Ik only want to try to make a bugfree program with suggestions.

So why don't you answer my question (hostname) so I can understand what actually goes on ?

Regards,
Tim

--- WinPoint 408.3
* Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:240/1120.29)

Hi Tim,

17 Jun 22 11:38, from Tim Schattkowsky -> Rinaldo Visscher, in URL area://WINPOINT?msgid=2:240/1120.29+89ad2e15:

//Hello Rinaldo,//

on *17.06.2022* at *7:37:34* You wrote in Area *WINPOINT*
to *Tim Schattkowsky* about *"Problem ipv6 vs ipv4"*.

Hallo Tim,

on 16.06.22 at 18:47:02 you wrote in the Area WINPOINT to Rinaldo
Visscher one message with
Thema "Re: Problem ipv6 vs ipv4".

Why do you never reply to my questions and instead try to teach
me programming? That is slightly insulting. I have written
millions of lines of code in my life and need no help with
control structures or whatever.

It was no intend to be insulting someone/body. Ik only want to
try to make a bugfree program with suggestions.

So why don't you answer my question (hostname) so I can understand
what actually goes on ?

Regards,
Tim

--- WinPoint 408.3
* Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:240/1120.29)

Rinaldo's point AKA is 2:280/5555.10 (see his mail's origin lines)

so he probably wants to connect to his BOSS AKA => 2:280/5555

this is Michiel van der Vlist ... who forces everywhere to use IPv6
Michiel's related nodelist line is:

,5555,Nieuw_Schnoord,Driebergen,Michiel_van_der_Vlist,-Unpublished-,300,MN,CM,MO,XW,IBN:fido.vlist.eu,IBN:fido4to6.vlis t.eu,PING,TRACE,U,ENC,RPK,NPK,NC

and here you can find the related FQDNs
I would give it a try with these 2 listed FQDNs


regards, uli ;-)
--- GoldED-NSF/W32-MINGW 1.1.5-20090710
* Origin: AMBROSIA - Bad Ueberkingen - Germany (2:240/1120)

Hi Ulrich.

17 Jun 22 12:45:40, you wrote to Tim Schattkowsky:

Rinaldo's point AKA is 2:280/5555.10 (see his mail's origin lines)

so he probably wants to connect to his BOSS AKA => 2:280/5555

this is Michiel van der Vlist ... who forces everywhere to use IPv6 Michiel's related nodelist line is:

,5555,Nieuw_Schnoord,Driebergen,Michiel_van_der_Vlist,-Unpublished-,3 00,MN,CM,MO,XW,IBN:fido.vlist.eu,IBN:fido4to6.vlis t.eu,PING,TRACE,U,ENC,RPK,NPK,NC

and here you can find the related FQDNs
I would give it a try with these 2 listed FQDNs

The second IBN is not working.

Mr. IPv6 cannot accept inbound ipv6, so his ipv4-ipv6 gateway/proxy/whatever doesn't work either.

Reported in nodelist-police.

'Tommi

---
* Origin: - rbb.fidonet.fi - Finland - (2:221/360)

//Hello Ulrich,//

on *17.06.22* at *10:45:41* You wrote in Area *WINPOINT*
to *Tim Schattkowsky* about *"Re: Problem ipv6 vs ipv4"*.

,5555,Nieuw_Schnoord,Driebergen,Michiel_van_der_Vlist,-Unpublished-,300,M N,CM,MO,XW,IBN:fido.vlist.eu,IBN:fido4to6.vlis t.eu,PING,TRACE,U,ENC,RPK,NPK,NC

and here you can find the related FQDNs
I would give it a try with these 2 listed FQDNs

Oh. So is this whole IPv4/IPv6 discussion here about the idea that WP should try the other entry from the nodelist?

Regards,
Tim

--- WinPoint 408.3
* Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:240/1120.29)

Hello Tim,

On Tuesday June 21 2022 19:24, you wrote to Ulrich Schroeter:

Oh. So is this whole IPv4/IPv6 discussion here about the idea that WP should try the other entry from the nodelist?

No.

The discussion is about fall back to IPv4 in case an attempt to connect via IPv6 fails for whatever reason.

I have discussed this with you before. At that time I did not expect this would actually happen but three weeks ago Murphy saw his chance when my provider send me a new modem/router. That modem/router does not support opening ports for incoming IPv6. The host name of my system still presented an AAAA and an A record. So Rinaldo's Winpoint attempt to connect via IPv6 failed. In such a case Winpoint should fall back to IPv4 and try an IPv4 connect.

For the time being I have removed the AAAA record from my nodelisted host name, but you can test by using the host name "vlist.eu" instead of the host name in the nodelist.


Cheers, Michiel

--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20170303
* Origin: he.net certified sage (2:280/5555)

Hi Tim,

On 2022-06-21 19:24:31, you wrote to Ulrich Schroeter:

,5555,Nieuw_Schnoord,Driebergen,Michiel_van_der_Vlist,-Unpublished-,3
00,M N,CM,MO,XW,IBN:fido.vlist.eu,IBN:fido4to6.vlis
t.eu,PING,TRACE,U,ENC,RPK,NPK,NC

and here you can find the related FQDNs
I would give it a try with these 2 listed FQDNs

Oh. So is this whole IPv4/IPv6 discussion here about the idea that WP should try the other entry from the nodelist?

No that's another matter.

What WP should do is if a hostname resolves to multiple IP's (IPv6 or IPv4), try them all in the order the OS presents them, until one succeeds.

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

//Hello Wilfred,//

on *24.06.2022* at *6:33:42* You wrote in Area *WINPOINT*
to *Tim Schattkowsky* about *"Re^2: Problem ipv6 vs ipv4"*.

What WP should do is if a hostname resolves to multiple IP's (IPv6 or IPv4), try them all in the order the OS presents them, until one succeeds.

That was my understanding and as I said, its on the list but not with high priority.

Regards,
Tim

--- WinPoint 408.3
* Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:240/1120.29)

Hi Tim,

On 2022-06-24 13:05:39, you wrote to me:

What WP should do is if a hostname resolves to multiple IP's (IPv6
or IPv4), try them all in the order the OS presents them, until one
succeeds.

That was my understanding and as I said, its on the list but not with high priority.

Maybe you should up the priority, because already 1 user experienced this as a problem, when he couldn't connect to his boss, because of this behaviour. ;)

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hello, Wilfred van Velzen.
On 24/06/2022 14.50 you wrote:

Hi Tim,
On 2022-06-24 13:05:39, you wrote to me:

What WP should do is if a hostname resolves to multiple IP's (IPv6
or IPv4), try them all in the order the OS presents them, until one
succeeds.

That was my understanding and as I said, its on the list but not with high
priority.

Maybe you should up the priority, because already 1 user experienced this as a problem, when he couldn't connect to his boss, because of this behaviour. ;)

Actually the boss was behaving badly. Winpoint tried to connect but the server did not answer. :D


--
Tommi

---
* Origin: nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/1.0)

Hi Tommi,

On 2022-06-24 15:40:56, you wrote to me:

What WP should do is if a hostname resolves to multiple IP's (IPv6
or IPv4), try them all in the order the OS presents them, until
one
succeeds.

That was my understanding and as I said, its on the list but not with
high priority.

Maybe you should up the priority, because already 1 user experienced
this as a problem, when he couldn't connect to his boss, because of
this behaviour. ;)

Actually the boss was behaving badly. Winpoint tried to connect but the server did not answer. :D

Only on IPv6. If WP had also tried the IPv4 address resolved from the same host name, it would have succeeded...

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hello, Wilfred van Velzen.
On 24/06/22 15.07 you wrote:

Hi Tommi,
On 2022-06-24 15:40:56, you wrote to me:

Maybe you should up the priority, because already 1 user experienced
this as a problem, when he couldn't connect to his boss, because of
this behaviour. ;)

Actually the boss was behaving badly. Winpoint tried to connect but the
server did not answer. :D

Only on IPv6. If WP had also tried the IPv4 address resolved from the same host name, it would have succeeded...

Yes. Server error. ;)


--
Tommi

--- -- -
* Origin: nntp point at (2:221/1.1)

Hi Tim,

21 Jun 22 19:24, from Tim Schattkowsky -> Ulrich Schroeter, in URL area://WINPOINT?msgid=2:240/1120.29+8cefcf84:

//Hello Ulrich,//
on *17.06.22* at *10:45:41* You wrote in Area *WINPOINT*
to *Tim Schattkowsky* about *"Re: Problem ipv6 vs ipv4"*.

,5555,Nieuw_Schnoord,Driebergen,Michiel_van_der_Vlist,-Unpublishe
d-,300,M N,CM,MO,XW,IBN:fido.vlist.eu,IBN:fido4to6.vlis
t.eu,PING,TRACE,U,ENC,RPK,NPK,NC

and here you can find the related FQDNs
I would give it a try with these 2 listed FQDNs

Oh. So is this whole IPv4/IPv6 discussion here about the idea that WP should try the other entry from the nodelist?

running binkd I have a list of several FQDNs for my system in the host line:

node 2:240/1120 ambrosia60.dd-dns.de;ambrosia60.goip.de;ambrosia60.ddnss.org;ambrosia60.srvdns.de;fra.dv-kontakte.de;ambrosia60.spdns.e u MYPASSWD

not all covered by the nodelist, but all I give in a points- or noderequest to my new downlinks as bossnode
to allow fallback scenario configurations.
binkd tries in a poll the first FQDN. If the connection fails, binkd tries the 2nd configured FQDN and so on until all FQDNs are tested. Then restarts from beginning ... until count of tries and probably a delaying hold time until further tries.

I've used a couple of DynDNS providers in the past. Most providers did work .. but also a long working DynDNS
provider did fail one day and until the service has been brought back online it tooks 2 or 3 days.
so therefor I've no longer using only one DynDNS provider.
As said, in binkd config I can configure multiple FQDNs ... this I still didn't found in WP how to configure multiple FQDNs ...

this may also cover the ipv4 vs. ipv6 discussion
but on the original question of the point it relates to Michaels system, as the requestor had a point number under Michiels system so that he probably talked about his bossnodes system ... thats Michiels system

Regards,
Tim

--- WinPoint 408.3
* Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:240/1120.29)

regards, uli ;-)
--- GoldED-NSF/W32-MINGW 1.1.5-20090710
* Origin: AMBROSIA - Bad Ueberkingen - Germany (2:240/1120)